Jul 06, 2026 City Council Meeting

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I'M SORRY, AL. WE WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

CALLING YOU TO THE DAIS. >> WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A MOMENTOUS HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

250TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR COUNTRY.

WE REFLECT BACK ON THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE SO WE CAN HAVE THE FREEDOMS WE HAVE AS A COUNTRY, TAKE UP THE RESPONSIBILITIES WE HAVE THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE FREEDOMS, AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, I THINK THE REAL HEROES OF THE REVOLUTION WERE THOSE WHO HAD THEIR NOSE TO THE WERE THOSE WHO WORKED TO THE GRINDSTONE AND CAME UP WITH THE CONSTITUTION.

SO STUDENT OF HISTORY. I WANT TO MAKE OUR PRAYER THIS EVENING THE FIRST PRAYER EVER OFFERED FIRST CONTINENTAL CONGRESS IN 1774. SO IT'S 252 YEARS AGO.

AND REVEREND JACOB-- RECTOR CHRIST CHURCH PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA SEPTEMBER 7TH 1774.

9 O'CLOCK A.M. WE EVEN HAVE THE TIME NOW.

I'VE ADAPTED A LITTLE BIT SO IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

SO LET'S BE IN ATTITUDE OF PRAYER.

OH LORD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER I AND MIGHTY KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, WHO FROM YOUR THRONE BEHOLD ALL WHO DWELL ON EARTH AND REIGN WITH POWER OVER ALL THE KINGDOMS EMPIRES AND GOVERNMENTS. LOOK DOWN NOW IN MERCY.

WE ASK YOULE THIS OUR COMMUNITY OF CARMEL.

THOSE WHO COME TO US. THOSE WHO COME TO US FIND IN YOU YOUR GRACIOUS PROTECTION. BE THOSE GOD OF WISDOM AND DIRECT COUNCILS THIS HONOURABLE ASSEMBLY.

MAY THEM TOLL SETTLE THINGS ON THE BEST AND SUREST FOUNDATION.

THAT ORDER, HARMONY AND PEACE MAY BE EFFECT CHULY RESTORED AND TRUTH AND JUSTICE, AND PIETY PREVAIL AND FLOURISH AMONGST THE PEOPLE. PRESERVE THE HEALTH OF THEIR BODIES AND THE VIGOR OF THEIR MINDS.

SHOWER DOWN UPON THEM AND THOSE THEY REPRESENT.

SUCH TEMPORAL BLESSINGS AS YOU SEE EXPEDIENT FOR THEM IN THIS WORLD. AND CROWN THEM WITH EVERLASTING GLORY IN THE WORLD THAT IS TO COME.

AND ALL THIS WE ASK IN THE NAME AND THROUGH THE MERITS OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY NEXT UP. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF CARMEL'S YOUNGEST BUSINESS OWNERS DANNY LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> THANK YOU DANNY. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES

[5.a. Recognition of Barb Crane, Carmel USPS Letter Carrier]

COUNCILLOR SHANNON MIAUUR. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BARB CRANE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF SHE DOESN'T MIND. BARB HAS KNOWN MY FAMILY FOR-- 20 YEARS? I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD KNOLL BETTER. SHE HAS WATCHED MY FAMILY GROW.

SHE HAS WATCHED ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO READ A STATEMENT ABOUT YOU IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO CAME THIS EVENING TO HONOUR HER. OKAY.

TODAY IT IS MY GREAT HONOUR TO STAND BEFORE OUR COMMUNITY AND CELEBRATE A WOMAN WHO HAS GIVEN US SOMETHING TRULY RARE.

50 YEARS OF SERVICE TO HER COUNTRY.

AND 46 OF THOSE YEARS SPENT WALKING AND DRIVING OUR STREETS AS OUR MAIL CARRIER. LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT.

HALF A CENTURY. AT A TIME WHEN SO FEW-- OH I'M

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YEAR AFTER YEAR. DECADE AFTER DECADE.

THAT KIND OF DEDICATION IS ALMOST UNHEARD OF AND IT DESERVES EVERY BIT OF THE RECOGNITION WE CAN OFFER.

HERE'S A TRUTH I HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND.

NOBODY KNOWS A NEIGHBOURHOOD QUITE LIKE A MAIL CARRIER.

NOT THE FOLKS AT CITY HALL. NOT EVEN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

MYSELF INCLUDED. SHE KNEW OUR ZBLARJS OUR KIDSAL AND SHE WATCHED THEM GROW UP. WHICH FAMILIES WELCOMED NEW BABIES AND WHICH ONES NEEDED A KIND WORD ON A HARD DAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT BARB. SHE KNEW OUR NAMES AS NEIGHBOURS NOT A LIST. THAT ONLY COMES FROM SHOWING UP AND CARING. AND SHE DID IN RAIN SLEET SNOW OR SHINE. OKAY SHE WAS THERE WITH A FRIENDLY SMILE AND A WARMTH THAT MADE AN ORDINARY DAY FEEL BRIGHTER. SHE CARRIED MORE THAN LETTERS AND PACKAGES. A GENUINE LOVE FOR PEOPLE SHE SERVED AND I BORE WITNESS TO THAT AND WITH GREAT AND HUMANITY THAT WE SHOULD ALL HOPE TO LIVE UP TO.

NOT JUST SOMEONE WHO DELIVERED MAIL BUT BECAME A PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND DAILY VISITS AND A SMALL STEADY THREAD. THAT IS WHY ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL I'M PROVIDE TO PRESENT HER WITH THIS LETTER OF RECOGNITION RECOGNIZING HER EXTRAORDINARY HALF CENTURY OF SERVICE AND HER DEEP LASTING DEVOTION TO THE PEOPLE OF OUR CITY. TO EVERYONE WHO HAD THE PLEASURE OF KNOWING HER. I KNOW I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US HEN I SAY WE WILL MISS YOU DE DEARLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR 50 YEARS SHOWING UP AND CARING. I PROMSZED I WOULDN'T CRY.

AND I DID. >> I DON'T WANT TO CRY EITHER.

BUT IT HAS BEEN A JOY BEING A MAIL CARRIER HERE IN CARMEL.

MY FIRST ROUTE WAS DOWNTOWN CARMEL.

AND THE POST OFFICE WAS DOWNTOWN CARMEL.

I WALKED OUT OF THE POST OFFICE WITH A BAG FULL OF MAIL AND STARTED DELIVERY AND WHEN I GOT THAT DELIVERED I WAS AT A RELAY BOX FULL OF MAIL. I RELOADED MY BAG AND KEPT ON WALKIN'. AND I WALKED THE 12 MILES A DAY AND I HAD THAT ROUTE FOR FIVE YEARS AND I WAS THE SKINNIEST I'VE BEEN IN MY LIFE. BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A VEHICLE TO GO ANYWHERAL AND GET LUNCH SO IT WAS AN EMPLOYEE WHO WOULD TAKE MY LUNCH BAG HOME WITH HER WHEN SHE WENT HOME FOR LUNCH AND LEAVE IT ON HER KITCHEN TABLE AND I WOULD STOP AT HER HOUSE EVERY DAYAL AND EAT MY LUNCH THAT I HAD IN MY LUNCH BAG. AND THAT'S HOW I HAD MY LUNCH EVERY DAY. BUT IT WAS JUST WONDERFUL TO BE AROUND SO MANY PEOPLE. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE ONLE THAT ROUTE AT THE TIME.

AND SOME OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE FAMILY CLOSEBY.

AND THEY NEEDED HELP. GETTING TO THE GROCERY STORE.

GETTING TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE. SO USUALLY ON MY BEHALF THAT'S WHAT I DID. IF THEY NEEDED HELP, I WOULD GO TO THEIR HOUSE. I'D TAKE THEM TO THE DOCTOR.

I'D TAKE THEM TO THE GROCERY STORE.

O MALLY'S WOULD BE DOWNTOWN ON FIRST AVENUE SOUTHWEST AND WE'D GO DOWN THERE AND WE'D GO SHO SHOPPING. AND IT JUST DID ME GOOD TO KNOW THAT I WAS HELPING SOMEONE. AND WHEN I GOT A DRIVING ROUTE BECAUSE MY DOCTOR SAID IT WAS STARTING TO AFFECT MY BACK SO THEN I GOT THE ROUTE THAT SHANNON LIVES ON AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS AND THESE PEOPLE ARE LIKE FAMILY TO ME. YES I'VE BEEN RETIRED NOW FOR A MONTH AND FOUR DAYS BUT I MISS THEM ALL SO MUCH.

AND I'VE BEEN OUT WITH THREE OR FOUR OF THEM.

BARB CAN YOU GO TO LUNCH? OKAY I'M ON MY WAY.

AND SEVERAL OF THEM ARE HERE TONIGHT THAT LIVE ON MY ROUTE.

AND IT'S JUST THEY ARE FAMILY TO ME.

AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T-- I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE WHAT THEY DID TO MY LIFE.

AND WHEN MY PARENTS DIED, SEVERAL OF THEM CAME TO THEIR FUNERALS AND I'VE DONE THAT FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.

AND IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW YOU CAN MAKE SO MANY FRIENDS JUST BY BEING A MAIL CARRIER. BUT I DID.

AND I DOLL MISS THEM ALL BUT IGET ON FACE BOOK LAST OCTOBER AND I WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN ON FACEBOOK NOW TALKING TO PEOPLE. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE DOING THAT BUT IT'S A GREAT WAY TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE.

AND I MISS EVERYBODY. EVERY MORNING IIC WAKE UP AND I THINK-- MAYBE I SHOULD BE ON 465 GOING BACK TO WORK.

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>> SO ON BEHALF-- OVER HERE. THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARMEL AND ALL NINE CITY COUNCILLORS STANDING HERE TONIGHT, WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS LETTER OF RECOGNITION FOR YOUR 50 YEARS OF SERVICE. AND WE'RE EVER SOL GRATEFUL FOR YOU.

>> I HAD AN EXERCISE ROOM IN MY HOUSE WITH SEVEN OR EIGHT PHOTOS WITH THE AWARDS I'VE RECEIVED.

>> THANK YOU BARB. WE HAVE JUST A LITTLE SOMETHING

FROM CITY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU BARB.

>> TRULY INSPIRATIONAL. THANK YOU SHANNON, SO MUCH ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING UNDER THIS CATEGORY? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY AS AN OPEN COMMENT FROM THE COUNCIL AND TO THE MAYOR AS THE MAESTRO OF THE SYMPHONY THAT WAS CARMEL FEST, ALL THE IMPRESSED. AND THIS YEAR I WAS PROBABLY MORE IMPRESSED THAN I'VE EVER BEEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHY EXACTLY. BUT MAYBE I SAW MORE.

BUT AFTER THE PARADE, HOW MANY DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES WERE OUT CLEANING THE STREETS IMMEDIATELY.

THE BORDER WITH WHICH THE POLICE CARS WERE PARKED AND STAGED AND THE FIREMEN WERE AT THE CRITICAL SPOTS IN MOVING AND ALL OF ROTARY OF COURSE BUT THE CITY STAFF AND THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

JUST ABSOLUTE INCREDIBLE JOB. SO THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF. MOVING ON.

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. YOUR COMMENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. SUBMIT A BLUE CARD AND YOU'LL BE CALLED UP AND I'LL ALSO SAY WHO IS ON DECK.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THIS IS FOR YOU.

IT'S NOT CONVERSATIONAL. THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. WHEN IT TURNS RED, PLEASE FINISH THE SENTENCE YOU ARE ON AND FOR THE CROWD, NO FORM OF DEMONSTRATION IS ALLOWED. SO UP FIRST MR. JACK FELDMAN? AND & YOUR TIME DOESN'T START YET.

>> I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU WAITING.

>> NOW BEFORE YOU START TALKING, JACK.

ONE OF YOUR DEANS REACHED OUT TO ME AND ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS AGO, YOU WON A PRETTY MAJOR AWARD.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. >> YEAH, THAT WAS THE-- AWARD AT MY SCHOOL. AND I WASN'T EXPECTING TO GET AN AWARD BECAUSE I'M I GUESS NOT VERY AWARD WINNING.

BUT I WAS ALSO NOT EXPECTING YOU TO MENTION THAT.

>> WELL, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST PROLIFIC STEWARDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, ATTEND MOST MEETINGS. YOU ALWAYS HAVE LOGICAL COMMENTS AND THAT AWARD WAS VERY WELL DESERVED AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT AND I THINK EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE WOULD

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AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH

MR. PRESIDENT. >> NOW YOU CAN FILE YOUR GRIPE

ABOUT US. >> ALL RIGHT, NOW BACK TO COMPLAINING. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT-- THERE WAS A CROSSWALK INSTALLATION AT-- WEALTH PARK AND THAT'S AT THE SITE WHERE A CHILD WAS HIT AND UNFORTUNATELY NEARLY KILLED ABOUT A YEAR AGO. SO THIS IS A VERY TRAGIC SITE ESPECIALLY TO SOME PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD.

THIS IS ON GRAY ROAD JUST AS YOU EXIT THE ROUND ABOUT AT 116 AND THE LITTLE DIP. IT'S A RATHER DANGEROUS AREA I'D SAY. THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THE KIDS ARE CROSSING. ESPECIALLY WITH THAT NEW ENTRANCE TO THE PARK THERE AND EVEN BEFORE THEN, BECAUSE IT'S JUST ANNOYING TO GO UP TO THE HILL AND TO THE ROUND ABOUT AND DOWN. IT'S SHADE SOD THE VISIBILITY IS NOT VERY GOOD. AND EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE ACCELERATOR, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GET TO AT LEAST 40 MILES AN HOUR AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT HILL IF YOU ARE NOT PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION AND THE SPEEDS ARE VERY HIGH.

SO I COMMEND THE CITY FOR INSTALLING SOME SEMBLANCE OF A CROSSWALK THERE. THERE HAVE BEEN CURB CUTS THERE FOR I THINK SIX MONTHS NOW. AND THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNS THERE INDICATING THE CROSSWALK IS THERE FOR-- SINCE THE INSTALLATION OF THE RAISED CROSSWALKS AT THE ROUNDABOUT.

HOWEVER THE ACTUAL CROSSWALK HAS NOT BEEN MARKED YET.

AND I FEEL LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE MARKED.

ESPECIALLY TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN TRAU MATTICALLY AFFECTED BY THE COLLISION THAT OCCURRED THERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY BE IMPROVED IN THAT AREA. AND MORE EXPEDITIOUS IMPROVEMENT TO CREATE A CROSSWALK IN THAT AREA THAT IS ACTUALLY A CROSSWALK WITH WHITE PAINT.

BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY OWNS SOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU JACK.

NEXT UP MS. KELLY NAGY? ON DECK IS MICHAEL HO?

>> OH. THIS BUTTON? OOH, OKAY. HI EVERYONE.

I'M KELLY NAGY. I'M A CARMEL RESIDENT AND MOM OF THREE. TWO IN A PLAYPEN IN THE LOBBY.

AND WE LOVE LIVING HERE. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE TO MAKE OUR STREETS SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS. PARTICULARLY THE RAISED CROSSWALKS IN ROUND ABOUTS. I KNOW CHANGES AND CONSTRUCTION CAN BRING SOME GRUMBLING BUT THEY SEND AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE.

GETTING SOMEWHERE A FEW SECONDS FASTER IS NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOMEONE'S LIFE. I ALSO WANT TO SHARE A STORY ABOUT MY 14-YEAR-OLD BABY SITTER ALLEY.

SHE LIVES IN A NEIGHBOURHOOD DIVIDED BY 116TH STREET.

HER HOUSE IS ON THE NORTH AND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD POOL AND CLUBHOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.

NOW THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM WHEN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD WAS BUILT IN THE '70S, BUT TODAY 116TH STREET CAN FEEL MORE LIKE A HIGHWAY THAN A NEIGHBOURHOOD STREET.

ALLEY TOLD ME HOW MUCH SHE LOVED THE PERIOD WHEN 116TH WAS CLOSED TO THROUGH TRAFFIC NEAR HER NEIGHBOURHOOD.

SUDDENLY SHE COULD CROSS THE STREET BY HERSELF.

SHE AND A FRIEND COULD BIKE TO THE CLUBHOUSE WITHOUT NEEDING MOM AND DAD TO DRIVE THEM. THEY COULD VISIT NEIGHBOURHOOD AMENITIES AND HAVE LITTLE ADVENTURES IN THEIR OWN LOCAL WORLD. THE HAPPINESS AND LOOK ON HER FACE AS SHE DESCRIBED THE FREEDOM HAS TRULY STAYED WITH ME. SAFE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKING INFRASTRUCTURE GIVES CHILDREN INDEPENDENCE.

CONFIDENCE, EXERCISE, FRIENDSHIP, AND A SENSE THAT THEIR COMMUNITY BELONGS TO THEM TOO.

IT OFFERS SIMILAR FREEDOMS TO OLDER PEOPLE.

FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES. AND ANYONE WHO CANNOT OR DOES NOT WANT TO, DRIVE EVERYWHERE. CONSIDER THE SHOPS AT 116TH AND KEYSTONE. SOMEWHERE AROUND 6 TO 7,000 PEOPLE LIVE WITHIN JUST ONE MILE OF NIEMAN MARCUS MARKET HARVEST GROCERY STORE. ABOUT A 20 MINUTE WALK OR FIVE MINUTE BIKE RIDE. IMAGINE HOW MANY SHORT CAR TRIPS WE COULD AVOID COLLECTIVELY IF WALKING OR BIKING THERE FELT SAFE, DIRECT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, ENJOYABLE. NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE A LEISURELY WALK TO THE GROCERY STORE, ZOOMING CAR, SPITTING EXHAUST WITH NO SHADE AND ONLY CONCRETE.

BUT, IF IT'S PLEASANT AND SAFE, MORE PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO GO THAT WAY. AND EVERY PERSON THAT DOES WALK OR BIKE THERE, REMOVES ONE CAR FROM THE ROAD.

THUS REDUCING TRAFFIC FOR EVERYONE.

THEREFORE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKING INFRASTRUCTURE IS TRULY FOR

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AS CARPAL RL GROWS, I HOPE WE WILL RESIST TURNING NEIGHBOURHOOD STREETS INTO FASTER AND WIDER THOROUGHFARES AND INSTEAD PRIORITIZE LIVABILITY, WALKABILITY, CLEANER AIR, SHADIER STREETS AND FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT FOR PEOPLE OF EVERY AGE REGARDLESS OF THEIR DRIVING STATUS.

THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU.

AT THE DIRECTION OF THE MAYOR, ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE MAYOR, WE DID A THOROUGHFARE STUDY FOR THAT EXACT SECTION.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS? >> SO USUALLY I DON'T RESPOND.

BUT-- 116TH STREET WE PAID FOR A STUDY TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT ROAD IN THE FUTURE.

AND I SPOKE WITH CITY ENGINEER BRAD BEESE AND THEY ARE LOOKING THROUGH THE RESULTS TO SEE WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS CAN GO FORWARD.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF TWO GOALS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO AT ONCE. WE DO HAVE TO MOVE CARS.

BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING THAT SOME BACK-UPS AND SOME AREAS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONGESTION. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT-- AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE STUDY IS SHOWING TOO, IS ADDING MORE LANES IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

IT CREATES WHAT THEY CALL INDUCED DEMAND WITH A BIGGER PARKING LOT ON THE ROAD. PARTNERED ACROSS THE STREET.

WE'VE GOT A CHURCH. AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND A SWIMMING POOL THERE. SO THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN MOVE CARS, YOU KNOW GET RID OF SOME MAYBE-- DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE TURNS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF.

MAYBE THAT'S ADDING ROUND ABOUTS.

LOOKING AT MEDIANS IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T NEED AS MANY LANES. THAT CAN BOTH PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY BUT ALSO KEEP YOU MOVING.

SO WE'LL-- I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN BRAD'S READY TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. I'VE ENCOURAGED HIM TO KIND OF MAYBE REDO A MEETING OR SOMETHING.

BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. SO I APOLOGIZE THAT NOTHING'S FAST IN GOVERNMENT, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING.

I'M SPEAKING WITH YOU NOW IN REGARDS TO A BICYCLE AND AUTOMOBILE CRASH OCCURRING JUNE 27TH AT I BELIEVE 106TH STREET AND GENERALLY THE SAFETY OF MONAN ITSELF.

I BIKE IT MOST DAYS TO GET TO RESTAURANT, WORK AND GROCERY STORE. CARMEL HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES MAKING INTERSECTIONS WITH AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC SAFER.

ESPECIALLY IN URBAN CORE. HOWEVER THE CRASH ON THE 27TH ILLUSTRATES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CORE AND THE TRANSITION PERIOD BETWEEN CARMEL AND INDIANAPOLIS.

DRIVERS SEEM MORE DISTRACTED. WHETHER IT BE THEIR PHONE IN THEIR HAND OR WHATEVER ELSE MAY BE IN THE CAR THAT'S DISTRACTING THEM. I'VE SEEN AND HAD A FAIR SHARE OF DISTRACTED AND NEGLIGENT DRIVING IN THE DAILY COMMUTES BOTH IN THE COURT AND OUTSIDE THIS COURT.

IT DOES SEEM THIS BAD DRIVING BEHAVIOUR DOES SEEM TO BE MORE FLAGRANT AND QUITE FREQUENT. RESTRICT CROSSINGS OR DRIVERS.

DOWN TOWARDS INDY AND AMOUNTS OF-- TRAFFIC FROM AND SIGNALLING AND THE LIKE. DRIVERS HAVE AN IMMENSE RESPONSIBILITY WITH HOW THEY USE MULTIAUTOMOBILES THAT NEED TO ENCOURAGE USERS TO PUT DOWN THEIR PHONES AND KEEP THEIR YUEILLS ON THE ROAD. MARKINGS WHERE TRAILERS COMING UP. INCREASED VISIBILITY AND USE OF TRAFFIC CALMING AROUND THESE INTERSECTIONS SHOULD BE USE SOD WE CAN SUBCONSCIOUSLY PRESSURE DRIVEERS TO SLOW DOWN.

WE HAVE THE TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL AND WE KNOW AS A CITY WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T. AS THE CITY GROWS IN ACTIVITY DOWN THIS CORRIDOR, LET'S CREATE AN INEXPENSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S SAFE FOR ANYONE TO ENJOY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

AND ONCE AGAIN AT THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE MAYOR ESPECIALLY COUNCILLOR GREEN, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MONAN AT 106TH AND 111TH ARE IN DESIGN AND FUNDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

WE DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE BUT WHEN OUR CITY ENGINEER IS BACK, WE'LL SHOOT YOU AN E-MAIL WITH THAT, OKAY? CHRIS KENT? ON DECK IS-- BRREDLA.

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>> MR. PRESIDENT. ONE NOTE TO ADD REGARDING THE CROSSINGS AT 106TH AND 111TH. WE CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR MULTIMILLION DOLLAR GRANTS AS WELL STATE AND FEDERAL TO DO SEPARATED GRAY CROSSINGS. IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE I BELIEVE ROUGHLY $10 MILLION EACH ONE. SO WE CONTINUE TO APPLY.

AND HOPE WE GET ONE ONE DAY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS

WELL. >> WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

OBVIOUSLY GREAT SEPARATING CROSSING WOULD BE AMAZING AND WHAT THE MAYOR IS REFERRING TO. IS FEDERAL--.

WE GET THE STATE FUNDING IT WOULD COVER ABOUT 80% OF THE ACTUAL COST SO $10 MILLION DRASTICALLY REDUCES TO SOMETHING PALATABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, MA'AM.

>> MY NAME IS CHRIS CAD-- I LIVE AT 514 LEXINGTON BOULEVARD CARMEL ELEMENTARY, NEW CARMEL ELEMENTARY LIVES RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD. AND WHEN IT WAS BEING DESTRUCTED, CARMEL DADS OWNED THE PROPERTY BEFORE CARMEL ELEMENTARY DEVELOPED IT. AND IT WAS CARMEL DADS WAS LEVEL WITH MY YARD WHEN THEY BUILT CARMEL ELEMENTARY, THEY GRADED IT SO MUCH THAT YOU KNOW WHEN THERE WAS A STORM AND WATER RETENTION, IT WENT RIGHT TO MY BACKYARD.

THEY PUT IN A BEE HIVE, AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO-- MAKE THE STORM WATER GO TO THE BEE HIVE. BUT IT DOESN'T.

IT'S BEEN AN EFFECTIVE-- INEFFECTIVE AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONTRACTORS LOOK AT IT AND THEY'VE SAID THE SAME THING, THAT THE CARMEL ELEMENTARY AND THE PARKING LOT ARE GRADED HIGHER THAN MY YARD. AND ORECENTLY THE STREET CREWS HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD AND DRAINING THE DRAINS OR ANY DEBRIS THAT'S IN THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND I HOPE IT WORKS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY DO IT. BUT IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. ON DECK IS ALLEY--.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID BREEDLOVE MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN OUR CURRENT HOME IN CARMEL FOR 20 YEARS. I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, OUR NEIGHBOURS ON SHELLBOURN ROAD.

THE AREA WHERE WE ALL LIVE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHELLBOURN BETWEEN 126TH AND 131ST STREET. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WE ENDURE BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIENCIES. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF ARMEL THAT ARE ALSO HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS AND Select to skip to this part of the video">ARMEL THAT ARE ALSO HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS AND VARIOUS TYPES. THE PROBLEM THAT WE ARE HAVING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE IS IT PERTAINS TO SEWERS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE STORM SEWERS, WE ARE CHARGED AND WE DO PAY THEM THROUGH OUR MONTHLY UTILITY BILLS. THE IMPACT OF HAVING NO STORM SEWERS CAUSES DRAINAGE ISSUES ON OUR PROPERTY.

AT OUR HOME-- EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE HAD TO HAVE A DYING TREE ESTIMATED TO BE 200 YEARS OLD CUT DOWN BECAUSE OF ROOT ROT. OBVIOUSLY THIS GIANT BEAUTIFUL TREE CAN NEVER BE REPLACED. ALTHOUGH THE TREE IS GONE, THE SMALL SWAMP IN OUR FRONT YARD REMAINS.

AND IN OUR SWAMP, I THINK WE GROW SOME OF THE FINEST MOSQUITOS IN WEST CARMEL. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPERIENCE THEM FOR YOURSELF, PLEASE COME BY.

I KNOW THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU.

THE SHOWS HAVE LIVED IN THEIR HOUSE 29 YEARS.

THEY HAVE SUSTAINED SIMILAR DAMAGE AND THE LOSS OF MANY TREES SWAMPY YARD. THE ROWANS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THEIR HOUSE FOR 13 YEARS HAVE HAD THEIR DAILY LIVES IMPACTED THE MOST. THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM IS IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND NO, WE DON'T HAVE SANITARY SEWERS EITHER.

LAST SPRING THE SOIL SATURATION WAS SO BAD THAT THEIR SEPTIC

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GROUND WATER WAS CHANNELLING BACK THROUGH THE FINGER SYSTEMS INTO THEIR SEPTIC TANK UNTIL IT WAS COMPLETELY FULL.

WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THE DRAINS IN THEIR HOUSE CEASE TO FUNCTION. THAT MEANS NO SHOWERS, NO WASHING CLOTHES OR FLUSHING TOILETS.

FOR THEM TO LIVE IN THEIR HOUSE, FORCED TO HAVE THEIR SEPTIC TANK PUMPED OUT REPEATEDLY.

THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS WE LIVE WITH YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.

WE ON SHELLBOURN ARE GOOD CITIZENS.

WE PAY OUR TAXES AND WE EVEN PAY UTILITY BILLS FOR SERVICES WE DON'T RECEIVE. WE ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN CORRECTING THIS MATTER SUCH THAT WE TOO CAN RECEIVE THE SAME SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF CARMEL RESIDENTS. DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, WE AS PROPERTY OWNERS CANNOT FIX THE EXISTING PROBLEMS. WE ASK FOR YOUR HELP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. BREEDLOVE. ON DECK IS ANGELA WHEELER.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WHEN I DID GROW UP, I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE BARB. SHE'S AWESOME.

FIRST I WANT TO SINCERELY THANK THE CITY'S ENGINEERING STAFF AND CREWS FOR RECENTLY COMING TO OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD.

I AM IN THE SAME NEIGHBOURHOOD WITH CHRIS CADDEN TOP ASSESS PORTIONS OF OUR STORM WATER SYSTEM.

FOR MANY OF US WHO HAVE LIVED WITH REPEATED FLOODING FOR DECADES, SIMPLY SEEING CREWS ON THE GROUND OFFERS US A MEASURE OF HOPE THAT MEANINGFUL PROGRESS MAY FINALLY BE UNDER WAY. BUT I MUST ALSO EXPRESS MY GENUINE SHOCK THAT THERE IS STILL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER A FLOODING INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM EXISTS IN OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD. RESPECTFULLY, THAT QUESTION WAS ANSWERED YEARS AGO. NUMEROUS RESIDENTS FROM MY NEIGHBOURHOOD HAVE TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS COUNCIL REPEATEDLY, WE HAVE SUBMITTED PHOTOGRAPHS, PAIR INVOICES, INSURANCE CLAIMS AND DECADES OF CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE CITY.

MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL HAVE STOOD IN OUR FLOODED YARDS, HAVE WALKED THEIR CRUMBLING STREETS AND DETERIORATED SIDEWALKS. THEY HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND WHAT MANY OF US HAVE ENDURED. MY OWN HOME WAS FEATURED ON THE COVER OF THE CURRENT, BENEATH THE HEADLINE, A DELUGE OF ISSUES. THAT WASN'T BECAUSE OF ONE EXTRAORDINARY STORM. IT WAS BECAUSE YEARS OF AGING INFRASTRUCTURE HAD ALLOWED A PREDICTABLE PROBLEM TO BECOME A RECURRING ONE. AT ITS CORE, THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL PURPOSES OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY TO DO COLLECTIVELY WHAT NONE OF US CAN REASONABLY DO ALONE.

NO HOMEOWNER CAN REPLACE THE CITY STORM SEWER NETWORK.

NO FAMILY CAN RECONSTRUCT AGING DRAINING SYSTEMS BENEATH PUBLIC STREETS. THOSE ARE PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE THEY PROTECT EVERYONE.

EVEN THOSE WHO MAY NEVER PERSONALLY EXPERIENCE FLOODING.

THAT IS THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF SHARED RISK.

WE ALL CONTRIBUTE TO SERVICES THAT PRESERVE PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE STRENGTH OF A COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON OUR WILLINGNESS TO INVEST IN ONE ANOTHER.

FOR THAT REASON, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED STORM WATER RATE INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY $3.15 PER MONTH.

THIS INCREASE AMOUNTS TO LESS THAN THE COST OF SINGLE CUP OF COFFEE EACH MONTH YET IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BENEFIT NEIGHBOURHOODS ALL THROUGHOUT CARMEL.

THAT ARE FACE MANYING OF THE SAME FLOODING AND INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES AS OURS.

IT IS A SMALL INDIVIDUAL INVESTMENT THAT CAN PRODUCE A TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY-WIDE RETURN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE WELCOMES ADDITIONAL COSTS.

BUT THE ALTERNATIVE IS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE.

RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO BEAR THOUSANDS AND IN MANY CASES TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN PREVENTABLE DAMAGE WHILE THE UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE CONTINUES TO AGE.

WE CANNOT CONTINUE ASKING INDIVIDUAL HOME OWNERS TO SHOULDER COSTS THAT BELONG TO A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

AS YOU CONSIDER FUTURE INVESTMENTS AND RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE CITY'S MOST ESSENTIAL RESPONSIBILITIES RECEIVE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. PROJECTS THAT ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY'S APPEARANCE AND AMENITIES CERTAINLY HAVE VALUE.

BUT THEY SHOULD NEVER TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THE FUNDAMENTAL FUNCTIONING OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

COMMUNITIES ARE REMEMBERED NOT FOR THE MONUMENTS THEY BUILD BUT FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU SOLVE.

THANK YOU. .

>> THANK YOU. ANGELA WHEELER.

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF CARMEL FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE LIVING HERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. I LIVE IN COLLEGE COMMONS WHICH IS A NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT RUNS FROM 106 TO 101ST AND BETWEEN COLLEGE AVENUE AND THE MONAN TRAIL.

IT IS AN OLDER NEIGHBOURHOOD, SO THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACCESS TO

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THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 106TH STREET THERE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE BUT CROSSING 106TH IS EASILY THE SCARIEST PART OF THAT COMMUTE FOR US.

SO I AM ASKING US TO PUT IN A CROSSWALK AT THE INTERSECTION OF 106 LTH AND MCPHERSON STREET.

THAT IS THE CENTRE MOST STREET FROM OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY FUTURE HILLS OR ANYTHINGLE FROM UTILIZING IT. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT A MUCH SAFER ROUTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

TME. >> THANK YOU.

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS ]

MAYOR? >> SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A DEPUTY MAYOR BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER SPECIAL GUEST HERE THAT CAN KIND OF ILLUSTRATE SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

I'M GLAD TO REPORT THAT WE THE STIPOF CARMEL IS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF WHAT'S CALLED AMERICA, THE ENTREPRENEURIAL.

BASICALLY IT HAS THREE MAIN GOALS.

REDUCE BARRIERS TO ENTREPRENEURSHIP.

THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS HERE WHO WANT TO START BUSINESSES OR MAYBE MORE TENURED FOLKS WHO WANT TO START A SIDE HUSTLE PERHAPS OR HAVE A SIDE JOB AFTER A FULL-TIME RETIREMENT.

WE ALSO WANT TO EXPAND E ENTREPRENEURSHIP ACCESS TO RESOURCES. WHO WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESOURCES ARE HERE FOR ENTREPRENEURS AND HOW TO GET THEM PLUGGED INTO AND SEE BENEFIT FOR ALL.

FAMILIES AND THE COMMUNITY. SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF MEETING A YOUNG BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN CARMEL.

ON SATURDAY ON THE 4TH OF JULY AND I THOUGHT I'D INVITE HIM HERE FOR HIS JOURNEY SO FAR. TELL ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS?

>> HI EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DANNY MY BUSINESS IS CALLED DANNY PRO. I'M 7 YEARS OLD AND LIVE IN CARMEL. I STARTED MY BUSINESS ABOUT A YEAR AGO BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE MY OWN MONEY.

MY DAD AND I TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT JOBS I COULD DO.

AND WE DECIDED TO START WITH HELPING PEOPLE WITH THEIR GARBAGE CANS. EVERY TRASH DAY I TAKE THE CANS TO THE STREET AND BRING THEM IN BACK AFTER THE GARBAGE TRUCK COMES. I ALSO FIX AND WATER PLANTS FOR PEOPLE. PRETTY SOON I'M GOING TO START MOWING LAWNS TOO. WE WANTED TO START WITH SOMETHING I COULD DO REALLY WELL AND THEN KEEP MORE JOBS AS I GOT BIGGER. I LIKE DOING MY JOB BECAUSE IT MAKES ME HAPPY TO HELP PEOPLE. I ALSO LIKE KNOWING I WORKED SXHARD EARNED MY OWN MONEY. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

>> GIVE DANNY A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THAT AMAZING SPEECH. SO DANNY LIKE A LOT OF ENTREPRENEURS HAD A GOAL FOR HIMSELF.

AND HE EXPLORED OPPORTUNITIES. TRIED TO FIND A MARKET NICHE HE COULD FILL AND THEN IS TESTING IT AND GROWING IT OVER TIME WITH SUCCESS. THAT'S A WONDERFUL STORY.

SO THANK YOU FOR MODELLING FOR OTHERS.

ESPECIALLY THOSE YOUR AGE AND MANY MORE YEARS OLDER HOW TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A RISK. AND CAN REAP BIG REWARDS BOTH PERSONALLY BY MAKING YOU FEEL GOOD BUT ALSO MONETIZING A BUSINESS. SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO DO TO HELP OTHER ENTREPRENEURS HERE IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. IS HELP THEM FIND THEIR WAY AND HELP THEM SETTLE SUCCESS FOR OTHERS.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT AND THANK YOU ALSO FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME HERE BECAUSE YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB.

BETTER THAN MANY OF DOUSE ON A DAILY BASIS IN FRONT OF A MICROPHONE, YOU DID A REALLY NICE JOB.

MORE TO COME ON THE AMERICAN ENTREPRENEURIAL.

WE'RE JUST GETTING OUR FEET UNDERNEATH US WITH THIS AMAZING NETWORK AND I'M REALLY PROUD CARMEL COULD BE A PART OF IT.

LASTLY THEN WE'LL HAND THE MIC BACK OVER, I WANT TO THANK PRESIDENT ABOUT HIS COMMENTS ABOUT CARMEL FEST AND WE HAD CARMEL ROTARY WHICH HAS BEEN A STRONG PARTNER FOR DECADES.

THE HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS THAT MAKE THIS EVENT HAPPEN IS INCREDIBLE. SELFLESS TIME AWAY FROM FAMILIES AND EITHER TORRENTIAL RAIN SOME YEARS OR REALLY HOT YEARS LIKE THIS YEAR. TO MAKE THIS THE PRIDE AND JOY OF THE STATE OF INDIANA AS FAR AS A PARADE IN PARTICULAR.

NOT TO MENTION THE FACT IT'S A FULL TWO-DAY FESTIVAL.

AND THEN OF COURSE OUR CITY OF CARMEL FOLKS AS PRESIDENT

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OUR COMMS PEOPLE AND BEYOND. AND THIS YEAR AND LIKE EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A BIG EVENT. WE HAVE FOLKS CAMPED OUT IN OUR EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTRE. USUALLY MONITORING A BIG EVENT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN A VERY SMALL SPACE THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THEM SAFE. THIS YEAR THEY HAD THE ADDED CHALLENGE OF WHEN AND/OR IF STORMS WOULD TAKE OUT FIREWORKS. AND I'D LIKE TO REPORT AS YOU WOULD ALL WITNESS THE CARMEL BUBBLE IS REAL BECAUSE WE WATCH LITERALLY AN ALLEY BREAK APART AND GO AROUND CARMEL FOR ABOUT A HALF HOUR TO THE AMAZING FIREWORKS IN.

SO ALSO THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING APPROPRIATION TO HELP SUPPORT THOSE FIREWORKS PURCHASE.

BECAUSE THEY WERE TRULY SPECTACULAR.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND AGAIN DANNY, THANK YOU AGAIN.

AND ALSO THANK YOU TO DANNY'S FAMILY FOR GETTING HERE TONIGHT AND BRINGING HIM HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY.

>> I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE AT CARMEL FEST TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE FROM THE HEAT.

BECAUSE THE HEAT WAS REALLY A DIFFICULT THING FOR US TO WORK THROUGH. AND UPON A SIMPLE REQUEST, SHE OPENED CITY HALL AS A STATION FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET COOL AND I THINK THAT WAS HELPFUL TO EVERYONE INCLUDING OUR POLICE AND FIRE WHO COULD ROTATE THROUGH.

GET COOL AND ALSO PROVIDE SECURITY FOR THE BUILDING.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I THINK IT MAY OPEN ANOTHER CONVERSATION ON THE USE OF CITY HALL.

BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE. AND I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH.

>> I WANTED TO COMMENT BECAUSE IT SEEMS THERE'S A COMMON THEME WITH A LOT OF SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE TONIGHT.

AND LAST MEETING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IN OUR CITY. AND FIRST OFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE CONTINUE TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT ANY CROSSWALKS THAT YOU THINK NEED IMPROVING OR CROSSWALKS THAT REALLY AREN'T THERE AND COULD BE ADDED. RIGHT NOW, A BIG ISSUE THAT I'M DEALING WITH IN MY DISTRICT IS ALL THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RAISED CROSSWALKS AT THE ROUND ABOUTS.

YES? AND COUNCILLOR MINAAR AS WELL.

AND WE DO GET SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED.

AND ARE YOU KNOW VERY FRUSTRATED THAT THERE'S A ROAD CLOSED OOR THAT IT'S SLOWING DOWN THEIR CAR.

THIS IS ALL DONE WITH THE VISION OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TELLING US THIS ISN'T JUST A LUXURY BEING ABLE TO RIDE YOUR BIKE PLACES. THIS IS A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT MANY RELY ON TO GET TO PLACES.

I THINK WE'RE JUST TALKING TO COUNCILLOR MINNAAR ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S MANY HOUSEHOLDS THAT WANT TO DOWNSIZE TO ONE CAR AND MAYBE USE AN E BIKE AND TALK WITH OUR STAFF BEFORELE THE MEETING ABOUT SIDEWALKS NEEDING THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD.

WE ADDED THAT SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US.

PLEASE KEEP COMMUNICATING TO US ABOUT AREAS WHERE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS CAN BE IMPROVED. WILL CONTINUE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO CITY HALL. AND IF YOU DON'T SEE ACTION, KEEP PUSHING US. BECAUSE WE SHARE THAT SAME DESIRE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN. AND YOU'RE NOT ANNOYING US.

YOU ARE HELPING US. SO PLEASE KEEP COMMUNICATING ABOUT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

YES? >> YOU WERE PRESIDENT LAST YEAR. COUNCILLOR-- AASEN.

I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAL ADAM WAS SAYING AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO EXPRESS TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID IT. AND THE DATA SHOWS THROUGH ENGINEERING. THROUGH STUDY, THAT A CAR THAT GOES OVER A RAISED CROSSWALK SLOWS THEIR SPEEDS BY 7 TO 10 MILES PER HOUR WHICH IS LITERALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH. AND AS A BIKE RIDER MYSELF, I APPRECIATE THAT. SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A MORE OF A SAFETY SLOWING CARS DOWN. CARS STILL MOVE THROUGH ROUND ABOUTS. BUT THEY JUST HAVE TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

SO, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ROTARY CARMEL FABULOUS CARMEL FEST BUT SPECIFICALLY THE CHAIRMAN STANLEY LEBRON.

HE SHOULD GET A HUGE ROUND OF THANKS.

THEY MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR PERHAPS YOU NOTICED ALL THE ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THE YOUNGER KIDS TO DO THAT WERE SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT AS WELL AS A FANTASTIC KID ZONE.

AND NANCY HECK THE PRESIDENT OF THE ROTARY CLUB AND DOUG WILLARD THE OUTGOING THEY ALL WORK SOD HARD.

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AND AS THOSE MEN AND WOMEN COME TO THE AND BRINGING UP THE FINISH OF THE PARADE, CARMEL RESIDENTS ARE STANDING AND APPLAUDING. I WAS SO PROUD OF THE RESIDENTS IN CARMEL FOR DOING THAT FOR SHOWING THE TREMENDOUS LOVE TO OUR VETERANS. AND ALL THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICE SOD GREATLY JUST LIKE COUNCILLOR GREEN.

IT WAS AMAZING. SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CARMEL RESIDENTS FOR MAKING SURE THAT CARMEL FEST PARADE GRAND FINALE MILITARY SALUTE WAS SPECIAL AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT EACH AND EVERY YEAR.

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON ADAM AND SHANNEN TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE.

ON BEHALF OF A RESIDENT THE KEYSTONE AND MAIN STREET.

THE ISSUE THAT I'VE GONE AND SAT WITH AS YOU GET OFF KEYSTONE YOU'RE GOING VERY FAST.

IT'S HARD. THE LOSS-- IS REAL AND YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT. WESTBOUND NOT NECESSARILY SLOWING DOWN IF TRAFFIC IS CLEAR.

RESIDENTS THERE HAVE REQUESTED A RAISED CROSSWALK.

AS NEXT TO COUNCILLOR. I SLOW RIGHT AT MAIN STREET BEFORE WE GET TO THE SCHOOL. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR SCHOOL SAFETY. I DO AGREE WITH RESIDENTS REQUEST THERE. SO ON BEHALF OF SOME RESIDENTS I'M ADVOCATING FOR ONE THERE AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO MAKE SENSE TO HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF MAIN STREET AS WELL.

AND PROBABLY LOOKING FOR ALL OF KEYSTONE COMING OFF THE ROAD FAST. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE INTENTIONALLY BEING RECKLESS. IT'S JUST YOU'RE GOING FAST AND IT'S HARD TO READJUST. ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS?

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

15TH. >> SECOND.

>> CLAIMS. PAYROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,725,826.20. AND 4,9 $490,20$4,9 $490,203.

HSA296,80. GENERAL CLAIMS $6,356,851.71 AND PURCHASE CARD $35,895.31. RETIREMENT $136,972.44.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> MAYORAL VETOS.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

COUNCILLOR TAYLOR? >> FINANCE COMMITTEE MET AT 4:30 TODAY AND REVIEWED THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

3-28-29-26 RELATED TO ESTABLISHING NON-REVERTING ERP IMPLEMENTATION FUND. RESOLUTION CC615-26-3 TRANSFERS $2 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE ARP IMPLEMENTATION FUND AND NOW IT WOULD BE THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D-2831-26LE THE ORDINANCE APPROPRIATES $2 MILLION TO SUPPORT THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION FUND.

ALL ITEMS RETURN FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH A

POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. >> THANK YOU COUNCILLOR TAYLOR.

COUNCILLOR JOSHI? >>-- DID NOT MEET LAST SESSION FOR LAND USE BECAUSE WE HAD RESOLVED ALL THE BUSINESS BEFORE US PREVIOUS TO THAT. WE WILL BE MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY AT THE LIBRARY AND I THINK PERHAPS TAKING UP THE ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN BEFORE US WITH REGARDS TO CITY HALL.

WE ALSO WILL BE LOOKING AT THE UDL REVIEW.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME I CAN RECALL, WE HAVE NO OTHER COMMITTEE REPORTS. HAD-- C ON THE AGENDA BUT-- IS INDISPOSED AND NOTHING NEW TO REPORT.

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[12.c. Second Reading of Ordinance D-2829-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Article 4, Section 2-132 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee. (Meeting date 7/6/26) ]

>> THERE IS A PRESENTATION BY WORKDAY SELECTED ERP PROVIDER WHICH PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON EFFICIENCIES AND FUNCTIONAL CAPABILITES. THIS RETURNS FROM FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH THE UNANIMOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND

FULL COUNTS. >> THANK YOU.

SO BEFORE YOU START, THIS IS-- IMPLEMENTING THE FUND.

SUPPLEMENTING RIGHT? >> I KNOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS DON'T FEEL THEY NEED A PRESENTATION BUT THAT'S UP TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

>> ON JUST CREATING THE FUND? A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON JUST CREATING THIS FUND? CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES FOR ALL FUNDS USED FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ERP SYSTEM CAN BE TRACKED AND EASILY MONITORED BY THE COUNCIL.

>> I'M OPEN TO IT FOR THE DISCUSSION.

SOMEBODY WANTED TO CALL FOR THE VOTED.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> FURTHER CONVERSATION? DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. OKAY WE HAVE SET UP AN ERP

[12.d. Resolution CC-06-15-26-03; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, approving a transfer of funds between the General Fund (#101) and the ERP Implementation Fund (#928); Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee. (Meeting Date 7/6/26) ]

A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND 101 AND THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION FUND JUST CREATED AT NUMBER 928.

>> THIS ITEM ALSO COMES BACK FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH A UNANIMOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

YOU'LL SEE THIS IS THE RESOLUTION FOR THE TRANSFER AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE OFFICIAL APPROPRIATION WHICH IS NOW RECEIVED ITS SECOND READING.

>> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. AS YOU KNOW THERE'S THREE ITEMS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. I'LL JUST MENTION OUR EXISTING ACCOUNTING SYSTEM WAS INSTALLED IN 1994 WHICH MEANS THAT IT PRE-DATES EBDS. THE IPHONE, SOCIAL MEDIA, THE CREATION OF GOOGLE. THE O.J. SIMPSON TRIAL AND THE IMPORTANT DEBATE OF WHETHER OR NOT ROSS AND RACHEL WERE ON A BREAK. YOU'RE WELCOME.

I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROPRIATE $2 MILLION TO COVER OUR IMPLEMENTATION COST FOR WORKDAY CLOUD BASED ERP SYSTEM.

UNIFY FINANCE HR MODULES. AS I PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING LICENSING COST ABOUT $30,000 MORE A YEAR WHAT WE PAY TODAY FOR OUR EXISTING LICENSES AND CENTRAL SQUARE.

ADP AS WELL AS THE OTHER SMALL ACCOUNTING SYSTEMS USED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.

ROOKSHIRE IN THE CARMEL BOND. THIS TRANSITION TO A NEW SYSTEM WILL DRIVE EFFICIENCIES BY REPLACING MANUAL AND PAPER PROCESSES WITH MORE MODERN WORK FLOWS.

IT CONNECTS OUR DATA FROM OUR PAYROLL FINANCE AND HR PLATFORMS TOGETHER. EARLIER TODAY I WAS JOINED BY CARMEL RESIDENT TOM HELD WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR I THINK GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR WORKDAY AND WALK THROUGH PRESENTATION THAT PUT TOGETHER. I'M HAPPY-- I PASSED THAT OUT.

EVERYBODY SAW THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

I'VE GIVEN EVERYBODY ELSE A COPY.

HAPPY TO HIT HIGHLIGHTS THERE OR TAKE QUESTIONS WHATEVER YOU

PREFER. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT JUST SOME OF THE LANGUAGES WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE.

THE $2 MILLION TRANSFER TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM TO REDO ALL OF OUR ACCOUNTING AND RIGHT NOW PAYROLL AND SOMETHING ELSE DOESN'T TALK AND GOING THROUGH WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FOR THE LAST YEAR. WE HAVE A TWO YEAR WINDOW TO DO THIS. THIS ORDINANCE.

ANY UNSPENT MONEY MUST BE REFUNDED BACK TO THE GENERAL

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FUND BY THE DECEMBER 31ST OF--. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY I'VE DRAFTED-- ORIGINALLY WAS 2028.

I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WILL BE DONE A YEAR IN ADVANCE OF THAT.

BUT I GAVE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME JUST IN CASE.

>> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND ONE SI KNOW WE DISCUSSED WORKDAY AND IT LOOKS LIKE HERE YOU'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THE REASON BHIENGD WORKDAY VERSUS OTHER POSSIBLE VENDORS THAT HAD MORE EXPERIENCE OR HAD LONGER TRACK RECORDS WITH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES BECAUSE THIS ONE-- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WILL STILL NOT BE DOING PAYROLL FOR OUR WORKING THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAD THEIR OWN SYSTEM AND THAT WILL NOT FLOW INTO WORKDAY SYSTEMS. SO JUST THOSE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS?

>> YEAH, BRING UP A SLIDE FROM THE-- WORKDAY POWERPOINT HERE? BUT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, YEAH, CURRENTLY THE COMPLEXITY OF FIRE AND POLICE PAYROLL PROBABLY INDICATES THAT THEY NEED THEIR OWN SEPARATE TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM.

AND THAT TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM WILL STILL FEED INTO WORKDAY IN TERMS OF-- THEY WILL GET THEIR PAYROLL THROUGH THE SAME MODULE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. THEY JUST WON'T USE THE TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM THAT OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ON A STANDARD 7.5 HOURS PER DAY FOR CITY CODE.

THEIRS IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX. SO THEY ARE IN OUR TIME DIFFERENTLY AND A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE BOTH CURRENTLY USING FIRST-- FOR THAT. AND WE WILL BE WORKING TO MIGRATE THAT OR WHATEVER OTHER SOLUTION THEY PREFER TO CONNECT

WORKDAY. >> AND BESIDES PAYROLL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS WITHIN CONTRACTUAL ISSUES WITH POLICE AND FIRE THAT WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS WILL GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM SO THEY WILL BE--.

>> YEAH THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING.

I MENTIONED ALSO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL USE THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. BUT THEY WON'T USE PAYROLL.

THEIR POLICIES. THE WAY THEY ARE OVER TIME IS DIFFERENT THAN CITY EMPLOYEES. SO THEY'LL BE HALF ON THE SYSTEM. BUT YEAH, IN REGARDS TO EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY WILL BE TREATED.

FIRE AND POLICE WILL BE USING THE SYSTEM THE SAME.

>> AND NONE OF THE OTHER SYSTEMS THAT YOU LOOKED AT AS COMPETITIVE, IT'S FOR THIS CONTRACT WERE ABLE TO DO THOSE COMBINED IN A WAY THAT YOU FELT WAS STREAMLINED ENOUGH FOR YOU?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT.

>> OR YEAH CAN YOU-- WAS THERE ANYONE THAT CAME CLOSE?

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY? >> I THINK ADP WORKDAY PAY CHEQUES ALL HAVE SATE-OF-THE-ART PAYROLL SYSTEMS. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THEM SPECIALIZE-- HAVE A SPECIALIZED PRODUCT LIKE FIRST DUE DOES. THAT TRACKS PUBLIC SAFETY TIME AS WELL. AND SO FOR THAT PURPOSE, WE'RE STILL USING OUR EXISTING SOLUTION FOR THEM.

BUT WORKDAY IS EQUIPPED TO CONNECT TO OTHER DATA SOURCES VERY EASILY. SO IN MY MIND NO NEED TO CHANGE

SOMETHING. >> AND INCREASING COSTS GOING ON INTERNALLY WITH WORKDAYS RESTRUCTUREING?

>> WE WOULD BE ENTERING INTO A TEN YEAR CONTRACT.

THERE ARE NO PRICE INCREASES DURING THOSE TEN YEARS.

TOY ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION, THIS WAS A-- WORKDAY SLIDE I HAVE BEFORE YOU. WHICH ADVISES A LOT OF FINANCIAL INDUSTRIES OTHERWISE. AS THEY SURVEYED USERS OF DIFFERENT CROWDBASED URPS SPECIFICALLY FOR DIFFERENT LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND THE COLOURING DOES NOT SHOW UP NEARLY AS WELL AS IT MIGHT ON YOUR HANDOUT.

THEY HAVE TWO GRAY-- AS WELL. ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD RATHER BE IN MAINE FL THIS WAS THE UNITED STATES.

THEN-- SAN DIEGO. WANT TO BE IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. WORKDAY BOYESED UPON SURVEY US THERE GARDINER, THAT WORKDAYS HAND ON THE SCALE.

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BETTER THAN PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER SOLUTION.

AND CURRENT FINANCE SYSTEM IS CENTRAL SQUARE.

WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S ONE OF THE LOWEST ON HERE.

>> SO 2KZ MILLION IS FOR THE INITIAL SET-UP.

>> OUR CURRENT ONGOING COSTS ARE A LITTLE OVER $300,000 A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE PAY FOR ALL THESE SYSTEMS TODAY. ANUALLY.

THE NEW COST WILL BE-- WILL AVERAGE ABOUT $30,000 THE YEAR BEFORE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY PAY FOR SIX OR SO SEPARATE SYSTEMS THAT WILL BE GOING AWAY.

>> SO THISSITE THAM WE'RE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW IS RESOLUTION CC6-15-26-03 FOR APPROVAL?

[12.e. Second Reading of Ordinance D-2831-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, authorizing and approving an additional appropriation of funds from the ERP Implementation Fund (Fund #928); Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee. (Meeting Date 7/6/26)]

>>> SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE B--- D-2831-26 AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE ADDITION AIL PRUVL OF FUNDS FROM THE ERP LIMITATION FUND NUMBER 928 SPONSOR

COUNCILLOR AASEN. >> YES, SIR.

THIS IS THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE THAT ACCOMPANIES A TRANSFER AND APPROPRIATES $2 MILLION TO SUPPORT TECHLT RP IMPLEMENTATION THIS RETURN FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH A POSITIVE UNANIMOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE COMMENTS?

>> JUST-- I DID WANT TO KNOW REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE HAS A BID PROCESS TO THINK OF FOR VARIOUS POSITIONS AND WHETHER ON ABS AND CS AND WHETHER THEY ARE AFLOAT OR ASSIGNED TO A STATION. IT'S VERY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF INDIANA AND PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THEY HAVE VERY SPECIALIZED SYSTEMS THAT IS OUTSIDE A TRADITIONAL ERP SYSTEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEIR SHIFTS FALL.

SAME WITH LEASE AND THEIR SCHEDULE AND ALSO HOW THEY ARE OVERTIME IS ACCOUNTED FOR. SO I'M SURE WE COULD HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE TWO CHIEFS ABOUT WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO STAY ON THEIR OWN SYSTEMS. BUT IT'S VERY COMPLICATED TIME KEEPING MODEL.

AND MOST THESE ERP SYSTEMS JUST CAN'T BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY. SO I JUST DID WANT TO NOTE THAT. WE ALREADY DISCUSSED SORT OF THE TRANSFER SO I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE

D-28-31-26. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WE'RE MOVING THIS BASED ON OBJECTIVE CAUSE.

RE YOU NEGOTIATING THIS AFTER SELECTIONS?

PROFESSIONAL SERVICE? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAVE NEGOTIATED A PRICE OF $1.879 MILLION FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION. THAT IS-- THAT INCLUDES IMPLEMENTATION AS WELL AS FOR SOME REASON THEY PRICE THE TRAINING SEPARATELY FOR THAT. ONCE WE GO LIVE AND TESTED AND MIGRATE AWAY FROM THE OLD SYSTEMS AND TURN THOSE OFF BUT WE'LL ESSENTIALLY HAVE-- FROM-- YOU KNOW-- JULY 19S OF THIS YEAR THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR TWO SYSTEMS. THAT'S A SEPARATE ADDITIONAL COST OF AROUND 300,000. I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AT SOME POINT TO ASK YOU GUYS TO TRANSFER OVER UTILITIES DEPARTMENT FAIR SHARE KIND OF ALL THESE COSTS.

SO COMBINED, HAVE A POT OF ABOUT $2.3 MILLION TO ADDRESS

[01:05:05]

AND YOU KNOW-- THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE ENCOUNTER DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE HELP TEMPORARY ACCOUNTING STAFF TO COME IN AND HELP US CLEAN OUT VENDOR FILES THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T PERCEIVE THOSE YET BUT HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND CUSHION BUILT INTO MY REQUEST TO COVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP.

>> THE UTILITIES KIND OF OVERHAUL THE WEBSITE AND

BILLING AND ALL OF THAT IS--. >> SO THEY WILL MAINTAIN THEIR BILLING SYSTEM. WHICH IS ORACLE PRODUCT.

BUT THEIR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM IS GREAT PLAINS.

MICROSOFT PRODUCT THAT HAS INDICATED THAT I BELIEVE 20727 OR 2028, MICROSOFT WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT THAT.

SO THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND BUY THEIR OWN ERP IF WE WEREN'T-- THEIR OWN NEW ACCOUNTING SYSTEM IF WE WEREN'T ALREADY LIVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

SO THEY ARE HELPING COVER THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE COST.

>> AND WHEN WILL YOU HAVE THE REALIZED SAVINGS ONCE THIS IS ALL DONE AND WHAT YOU'RE NO LONGER PAYING FOR?

>> YEAH-- WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A RETURN WITHIN ABOUT 3 TO 4 YEARS ON THIS 2KZ MILLION INVESTMENT JUST IN TERMS OF OTHER EFFICIENCIES THAT WE'VE REALIZED. GETTING AWAY FROM PAPER AND & MANUAL PROCESSES THAN GOING TOWARDS AUTOMATED WORK FLOWS

AND THOSE THINGS. >> IT'S BEEN CALLED AND SECONDED. THANK YOU.

[Items 13.a & 13.b]

AND THAT PETITION IS BY STEVEN AND NICOLE KOTKOFF.

I WON'T TRY. PETITION.

GO AHEAD. >> YES SIR YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THESE ONES. I THINK THIS ONE MIGHT BE BOTH OF THEM ACTUALLY MAY GO TOGETHER.

MIGHT BE EASIEST ONCE YOU'VE SEEN AND PETITIONERS CAME TO THE CITY AND INQUIRED ABOUT THE DEDICATION.

DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T IN OUR SYSTEM AND IT HASN'T BEEN IN OUR SYSTEM SINCE JUNE 1961. SO WHAT HAPPENED THERE AT A CERTAIN POINT THAT THE POINT THE COUNTY VACATED THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE LAND. OF THE AERIAL MAP WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT DIDN'T PROPERLY RECORD IT.

SO EVEN THOUGH IN OUR SYSTEM, AND OUR MAPS AND OUR GIS MAPS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT'S INDICATED AS ALREADY VACATED. THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY.

TO MAINTAIN OR BELIEVED TO BE IN EFFECT BUT DIDN'T.

AND IT HAS BEEN VACATED FOR YEARS.

THIS TWO PARCELS. NOT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T.

JUST BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T RECORDED.

THE DOCUMENTS AND THE RECORDING 61.

SO RECORDINGS IS HERE. PRESENTS PETITIONERS.

IF YOU LIKE, CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL TO THEM BUT DID QUITE A BIT OF WORK AND LEGWORK ON THIS.

AND PROVIDED US A SUMMARY WE WERE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH AND I CONFIRMED THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.

ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED IT.

RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND JUST TO CLEAN UP ITEM IN OUR SYSTEM WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT WAY TO VACATE.

AND NEEDS IT TO CONSTRUCT AT HOME.

AND THAT RESOLUTION. AND IT'S THE SAME SPIEL FOR ITEM B BECAUSE THEY GO TOGETHER.

THEY WILL BE SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE.

AS YOU KNOW. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. WE RECOMMEND HAVING TWO OF THEM SEPARATELY. IN THE ORDINANCE PORTION THAT OUR ITEMS 14A AND B IN YOUR PAQUETTE.

WE ASK THAT IT BE SUSPENDED. WE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AGAIN. RECURRENCES HERE FOR PRESENTING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WEDGEWOOD DIDN'T WANT TO BUY IT TWICE?

[01:10:03]

I DON'T BLAME THE INDIVIDUAL. >> WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:11. NOT SEEING A STAMPEDE.

TO THE PODIUM. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR A AT 7:11 AND SOME MORE SECONDS.

WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM B PETITION TO VACATE A PUBLIC WAY AT 1 1006AUMAN DRIVE WEST OWNED BY WEDGEWOOD BUILDING COMPANY AT 7:12.

NOT SEEING ANYBODY RUSH TO THE PODIUM, WE WILL CLOSE THAT AT

[14.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2832-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Vacating a Portion of the Public Way; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder.]

FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2832-26 AN ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL OF CITY CARMEL INDIANA VACATION A PORTION OF

PUBLIC WAY SPONSOR MYSELF. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO 942 WEST AUMAN DRIVE. OTHER CONVERSATION?

>> MOVE TO WAIVE THE RULES AND ENTER INTO ACTION TONIGHT.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU.

THAT LAND IS VACATED AGAIN. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE

[14.b. First Reading of Ordinance D-2833-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Vacating a Portion of the Public Way; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder.]

1006AUMAN DRIVE WEST. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE.

MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND ACT UPON IT THIS EVENING.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> AND THIS HAS BEEN VACATED AGAIN. THANK YOU.

[14.c. First Reading of Ordinance D-2834-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, authorizing the acquisition, construction and installation of certain improvements for the waterworks system of the City of Carmel, Indiana, the issuance of revenue bonds to provide the cost thereof, the collection, segregation and distribution of the revenues of such system, the safeguarding of the interests of the owners of such revenue bonds and other matters connected therewith, including the issuance of notes in anticipation of such bonds, and repealing ordinances inconsistent herewith; Sponsors: Councilors Taylor, Snyder and Worrell.]

ISSUANCE OF THE REVENUE BONDS TO PROVIDE COST THEREOF CORRECTION SEGREGATION DISTRIBUTION OF REVENUES THE SAFEGUARDING INTERESTS OWNERS OF SUCH REVENUE BONDS AND OTHER MAURLTS CONNECTED THEREWITH. INCLUDING ISSUANCE OF NOTES ANTICIPATION OF SUCH BONDS IN REPEALING ORDINANCES INCONSISTENT HEREWITH. SPONSORS ARE MYSELF COUNCILLOR TAI YORE AND COUNCILLOR WORRELL.

COUNCILLOR TAYLOR? YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON SOME OF

THIS. >> THE ORDINANCE WATERWORKS REVENUE BONDS OF THE CITY TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION INSTALLATION AND EQUIPMENT OF VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY'S WATERWORKS SYSTEM.

SOME OF THIS IS RELATED TO AAA WAY CARMEL DRIVE AND 116TH

STREET. >> CORRECT.

GOOD EVENING COUNCILERS. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BL HERE TONIGHT. THIS ORDINANCE AND THE ONE FOLLOWER. ONE IS ON WATER SIDE OF OUR BUSINESS. THE OTHERS IS WASTE WATERS TO DO THOSE SEPARATELY. BUT WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN NEEDED TO REALLY EXPAND AND IMPROVE AND REPLACE SOME AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO ON THIS ISSUANCE--.

>> ONE MOMENT. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO INTRODUCE

REAL QUICK. >> OH--.

>> THANK YOU. PROCEDURAL.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. THESE PROCEDURAL THINGS-- THANK YOU. I'LL FIND PATIENCE.

SO ON THE WATER SIDE, IN THIS-- THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON. SO THIS WILL-- YOU HAD REFERENCED THE MERCHANT SQUARE AREA.

THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT BOTH THE CITY ENGINEERS OFFICE WITH A NEW ROUND ABOUTS. AS WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A VERY DENSE AND CONJESTED AREA. WE GOT TOGETHER WITH THE CITY ENGINEERS OFFICE TO DECIDE LET'S TRY TO DO ALL OUR PROJECTS TOGETHER UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.

SO THAT WE CAN BETTER CONTROL SCHEDULES AND DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS BEING IN THAT AREA. REALLY ONLY CLOSES THAT DATA AT

[01:15:02]

THAT'S A PRETTY FEW YEARS OLD. CAST IRON.

THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR OLDER MAINS.

WE DO HAVE SOME OLDER ONES. SO THOSE WERE IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT. THEY WERE TEN INCH MAINS WE'RE NOW GOING TO PUT IN IRON 12 INCH.

SA SO THAT'S ALONG CARMEL DRIVE AND THEN UP.

WHAT WILL BE THE NEW KINSLER DRIVE BUILT SOUTH-- SO THAT'S-- ABOUT $2 MILLION. IN ADDITION TO THAT.

OUR WEST SIDE. ON THE LINE THAT WILL BE GOING IN FROM SOUTH OF 16TH RIGHT AROUND WHAT IS THAT-- COLD COURT. RUN YOUING WEST OF-- ROAD.

THAT WILL HELP US BETTER SERVE THAT.

VERY DENSE. TO THE SOUTH.

106TH GOING UP. SO THIS WILL GIVE US.

ONE OR TWO. SO ON WEST FIELD BOULEVARD FROM THE 98 DOWN TO 96TH AND OVER TO WILD CHERRY.

THAT IS SOME OF THE INDIANAPOLIS.

BASICALLY PURCHASED YEARS AGO. REMAINING AND CONSTRUCTING THE MAINS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.

I THINK THERE WAS AROUND 8,000 PLUS DOWN ABOUT 160.

THAT STILL NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO SOME OF THAT WORK OFF WEST ON MICHIGAN AVENUE ALSO HELPED US TAKE MORE OF THOSE ON. AND THEN THE COUNTY IN THE ROUND ABOUT AT 146. COMING DOWN THE ROAD.

QUICKLY WE WILL HAVE SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. SO THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND OUT WITH THE WATER

ISSUE. >> BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE. IF IT DOESN'T WORK.

>> ON THE WATERWORKS. LIST HERE UNDER SOME PROJECTS.

VISIBLE SECURITY AND CYBER SECURITY UPGRADES.

SO THAT IS SOME WORK THAT WE MAY TRY TO HOW THESE PROJECTS COME IN. BUT I DON'T KNOW YET IF WE WILL GET INTO THAT. SO WE WANTED THE FLEXIBILITY.

[01:20:07]

>> HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. NO.

NEITHER OF THESE ISSUANCE. IS TO HAVE ANY GREAT.

GIVE US THE COURAGE AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE PAYMENT.

>> WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT. FOR TAX PAYERS WHO ARE DESPERATE FOR BONDING SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I WOULD ADD.

COMMITTEE-- I CAN'T ALWAYS MAKE IT TO FINANCE.

SO I APPRECIATE JUST BEING ABLE TO GIVE YOU THOSE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN ADDRESS THEM.

BUT THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS.

AND THEN THESE ARE PRIMARILY FOR-- I MEAN YOU MENTIONED OBVIOUSLY UPGRADING INFRASTRUCTURE.

ARE THESE ALSO RELATED TOE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING IN THOSE AREAS? TO SUPPORT THOSE AS WELL?

>> THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY INVOLVED IS THAT FIRST ONE I MENTIONED. FOR SOME OF THAT PROJECT THAT'S GOING JUST NORTH. ALONG KINSLER.

BUT-- THE MAINS ALONG CARPALE THE DRIVE FL.

THEY ARE FROM AAA WAY ALL THE WAY TO KEYSTONE WAY ARE OLDER

MAINS THAT WE NEED TO PLACE. >> ARE WE WORKING WITH THE

DEVELOPER THEN ALSO DISCUSSED? >> ALL RIGHT AND THEY MADE QUITE A BIT OF CONTRIBUTION. OVERALL NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO THIS ISSUE. SO THAT WE HAVE FUNDS.

WE MAY RECEIVE FUNDS ON THAT BASIS THAT THEY'VE STARTED

BUILDING IN. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE ON THIS.

I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL PHYSICAL HEALTH OF OUR WATER. COULD YOU SHARE WITH US I SAID.

FROM A TEN INCH TO 12 INCH A MAJOR ONE.

BUT WHAT-- ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT THAT THERE'LL NEED TO BE. FIXED.

MAYBE ARE NOT PART OF THIS INVESTMENT I DO APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT. AN OVERALL SENSE OF WHERE THIS WILL PUT US FOR THE FUTURE AND ASSURE ME THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW?

>> YES WELL ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS A COMPREHENSIVE ASSET MANAGEMENT.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW.

CONSULTING PARTNER. WHERE WE HAVE ACTUALLY GONE AND HAD THEM ON SIGHT TO DO PHYSICAL ASSESSMENT.

ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENTS OF OUR ASETS.

LOOKING AT DIFFERENTLY PICK UP EVERY PIECE OF PIPE THAT WE HAVE. BUT BETWEEN VISIBLE ALE AT OUR PLANTS AND THE AGE AND THE AMOUNT OF BREAKS AND ERRORS WE'VE HAD. BEEN DOING THAT ASSESSMENT TO GIVE US AN IDEA. WE SHOULD HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT PROJECT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

LET'S SAY MAYBE FIRST PART. OUTLINE A BETTER SENSE OF OKAY WHERE IS OUR COMPLETE SYSTEM. WHAT'S THAT HIGHEST RISK OF FAILURE. OR HIGHEST CONSEQUENCE? SOMETHING MAY BE YOUNG BURR THEY FAIL THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC AND LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU ALL WAS EXAMPLE OF THE MAIN. THE FAILURE WITH THAT HYDRO-- SO THERE'S CONSEQUENCE OF FAILURE.

LIKELIHOOD OF FAILURE. LEVELS, SERVICE.

ALL OF THAT'S GOING INTO THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING.

WE WILL COME OUT WITH A RUBRIC THAT WILL SHOW OUR MOST AT RISK ASSETS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR BEST ASSETS.

THERE WILL BE A CURVE THERE AND IF WE MAKE-- WE WILL DETERMINE THE RIGHT INVESTMENT TO MAKE TO KEEP US OUT OF THAT UPPER QUADRANT. THAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT IS WHAT WE'RE NOT READY TO HEAR RIGHT NOW.

NOT READY OUT OF OUR RATES EITHER.

BUT WHAT WOULD THAT BE? AND I THINK WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO SHOW THE INVESTMENT WE NEED TO MAKE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

TO KEEP OUR-- KEEP ALL OF THOSE RISKS AT BAY.

I THINK WE'LL HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT TO BRING TO YOU.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THESE WERE SOME PROJECTS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN NOW BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. AND THEY ARE ADDRESSING EACH NEED. BUT THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE.

>> SO WHEN WILL THAT STUDY BE FINISHED?

I DIDN'T CATCH THAT PART? >> WE'RE GETTING-- OKAY.

[01:25:09]

>> TO COUNCIL ON IF YOU--. EXPECTING.

SO THAT WE CAN ALL KIND OF GET PREPARED SHOULD WE NEED TO.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL BE LET.

THAT MONEY WILL BE-- SOMETHING IT SHOWS UP.

THAT IS UNEXPECTED. WOULD YOU SHARE WITH US?

>> YES, I WOULD LOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK I WOULD LOVL IT. I THINK THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF JUST THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT WOULD LOVE TO BRING THAT-- EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS KIND OF

HOW WE COMMIT TO THAT. >> YEP.

VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

THANK YOU FOR YIELDING. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

I'M JUST SO GLAD COUNCILLOR WORRELL BROUGHT UP THE STUDY THAT YOU WERE DOING. I'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING THAT FOR OVER A YEAR WHEN IT PASSED THROUGH BBW.

SO I'M REALLY LOOKIC FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THOSE ANSWERS ARE.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. >> THANK YOU DIRECTOR.

>> THE DIRECTOR--. TRANSPARENCY AND TO THE PROP SHES TO SHEEN SURE CONTRACTORS RUL PROVIDING A SCOPE AND ENSURE WEERL GETTING THE BEST VALUE FROM THE BID PACKAGE.

AND COME BACK BOTH BEYOND A REPORT OF THOUSAND THAT'S WORKING. BUT ALSO FOR ANY CONTRACTOR SELF-PERFORMANCE WORK THAT THEY ARE ALSO COMPARING THAT SCOPE OF WORK WITH THE REST OF THE MARKET.

AND NOT OVERPAYING FOR. USING THE BUILD OPERATE TRANSFER DELIVERY. BUT IT APPEARS CURRENTLY PLAN TO BE DONE AS A SALE. THESE BONDS AND IF WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION OF FINANCE COMMITTEE WHY THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH CONSIDERING OUR LOWELL BOND RATING FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER UTILITYS. IT'S MANY TIMES BEST TO TAKE A HYBRID APPROACH WITH A NOESHLTED SALES SPECIFICALLY TO ARTICULATE THE STORY OF BONDS THOUGH THE RATING'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OUR CITY IS OPERATING.

SO BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT AT FINANCE.

>> I WILL. AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS BRIEFLY. AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO DETAIL IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. BUT DUE TO OUR FINANCIAL PICTURE GETTING STRONGER, SINCE OUR LAST ISSUANCE, WE ARE EXPECTING THAT BOTH OUR WATER AND WASTE WATER RATING SHOULD BE IN THE A RANGE OR BETTER ON MAYBE WASTE WATER.

SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THE RATINGS CALLED THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN. AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO GO

TO MARKET AT A HIGHER RATE. >> PERFECT.

SO WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE OUR NEXT FINANCE ON WEDNESDAY JULY 15TH AT 5:30. WE JUST NEED FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE THE STAFF BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THEM ARE ON VACATION.

>> AND SORRY I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN JULY 15TH TO THE 22ND.

>> THEN WE'LL HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY-- COME FORWARD.

BY NEXT MEETING ON JULY 20TH. WHAT'S THE

>> I THINK THE TIME FRAME, THE OBVIOUS MEETING IS WHEN THE SECOND MEETING WAS GOING TO COME.

WE'RE LOOKING TO CLOSE PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER.

SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME TIME. >> PERFECT.

>> I WANTED TO MAYBE ASK A QUESTION THAT COUNCILOR ASKED A DIFFERENT WAY. SHE ASKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT DRIVING SOME OF THIS. JUST TO SPECIFICALLY A LOT OF THIS IS AROUND THE GAMER C PROJECT WITH A LOT OF ADDITIONAL UNITS. IF THAT PROJECT DIDN'T EXIST WOULD SOME OF THESE UPGRADES STILL BE NEEDED?

>> WE WOULD DEFINITELY REPLACE THE WATER ON CARMEL DRIVE BECAUSE THAT IS OLDER, THAT'S SOME OF THE PIPE THAT WE AGE-WISE WOULD MAKE IT A CHANGE IN INVESTMENT IN.

GOING NORTH ON KINSER WOULD-- THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A NEED TO TO DO THAT SO THERE AE ASPECTS OF THAT DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS ON THE WATER SIDE.

I KNOW WE'RE GETTING TO THE WASTE WATER ONE NEXT AND IT'S THE LARGER ISSUANCE. IF YOU DON'T MIND I COULD SPEAK

[01:30:03]

TO IT MORE IN THAT ONE. >> SOUNDS GREAT.

>> I'VE GOT A REQUEST AND A QUESTION.

AND A STATEMENT, ONE, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR MONEY FROM THE 2024 INFRASTRUCTURE BOND THAT WE COMMITTED TO PROJECTS WITHIN THE SAME GENERAL AREA IS ALSO GOING INTO THIS.

WHICH IS FINE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR AND HOW YOU'RE PACKAGING THEM BUT IF WE'RE DOING CARMEL DRIVE WE SHOULD DO THE WATER AT THE SAME TIME OR VICE VERSA.

THE REQUEST IS, AND, RICH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO DO YOUR BOT SELECTION, YOU HAVE A SELECTION COMMITTEE AND MY REQUEST IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER ON YOUR COMMITTEE FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS TO HELP ACT AS A LIAISON TO THE COUNCIL. AND THEN MY QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE READ THIS, IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> YEAH, BUT THEY HAD ALREADY COMPLETED THE PROCUREMENT EARLIER THIS YEAR WHICH I WASN'T AWARE OF.

>> YOU ALREADY SELECTED YOUR -- >> THEY DID IT ALONG WITH THE ROAD PROCUREMENT THAT BRAD RAN AND PACKAGED IT UNDER ONE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND QUALIFICATIONS.

THAT DIRECTOR RAN. FOR CORRECTION, THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS AT A CLERK/TREASURER CONFERENCE.

EARLIER I MISSPOKE ABOUT VACATION.

>> AT FINANCE MEETING CAN WE GO THROUGH THE SELECTION OF THE FIRM DOING SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE MERITS OF WHY THEY WERE

PICKED. >> WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT WAS A BPW. I GUESS IT FELL UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION FOR APPROVAL SO THAT'S WHERE WE TOOK IT.

>> THE TWO PROCURING AGENCIES UNDER THE CITY CAN BE THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS OR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

>> YEAH. >> I JUST THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO

UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE PICKED. >> HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT, YEAH.

>> FOR SERGEI, BECAUSE I KEEP READING THIS AND I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT IS THE LAST FEW WORDS OF YOUR -- THE ORDINANCE DESCRIPTION, THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES IN ANTICIPATION OF SUCH RESPONSE AND REPEALING ORDINANCES INCONSISTENT HERE HEREWITH. IT TALKS ABOUT SOME ORDINANCES BEING REPEALED BUT ALSO-- IT JUST SEEMS VAGUE TO ME.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SENTENCE. REPEALING ORDINANCES INCONSISTENT HEREWITH. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT IS

INCONSISTENT? >> FULL DISCLOSURE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE DRAFTED IN OUR DEPARTMENT, A BOND COUNCIL ORDINANCE BUT THIS IS A CATCHALL PROVISION WE INCLUDE IN MOST ORDINANCES AND WHENEVER WE HAVE A NEW ORDINANCE THAT HAS ROLES, INDICATIONS OR BOND ISSUANCE, WE INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS THE CONTROLLING LANGUAGE AND ANYTHING THAT INTERFERES, OR IS DUPLICATIVE OR NOT FULL OF THAT LANGUAGE IS HEREBY REPEALED AND IT REFERS BACK TO ANY INCONSISTENCIES IN

THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCES. >> NORMALLY THE LANGUAGE WE SEE, THOUGH, IS A NON-VOID OR SUPERCEDES OR OVERRULES.

REPEAL SOUNDS LIKE AN ACT. >> RIGHT.

I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE COUNCIL BEFORE NOW AND THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT REPEAL VERSUS SUPERCREEDS

OR ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. >> AM I OFF-BASE WITH THE

LANGUAGE? >> REPEAL IS CERTAINLY A MUCH STRONGER LEGAL TERM AND MEANS THAT ALL THE ORDINANCES UNCONSISTENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE ARE NULL AND VOID BY REPEAL AND THEY'RE DONE --

>> BUT HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT? WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A

CONFLICT? >> USUALLY THERE'S A CERTAIN CONSISTENT TO THE ORDINANCES AND A LOT OF THE TIMES, IN FACT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIMES, IT COMES WHEN ONE ORDINANCE IS COMPLETELY REPLACED BY THE OTHER. SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST RECENTLY OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY ORDINANCE.

SO WE COMPLETELY REDONE IT ESSENTIALLY.

SO THAT'S-- THEN WE USE THE WORD "REPEAL" AND THEN REPLACE ONE ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE IN THE PAST IN ITS ENTIRETY WITH AN ORDINANCE. NOT JUST CERTAIN PROVISIONS WITHIN THE CITY CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY CODE SECTION THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.

>> BUT WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE DOING THEN.

WE KNEW IT WAS A REPLACEMENT. THAT WAS THE INTENT.

>> I WILL CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU WHAT EXACTLY-- WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE REPEALING THERE IF ANYTHING.

>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'VE DONE ALL THE ACTION ON THIS ONE WE'RE DOING THIS EVENING, CORRECT? SO THIS-- THIS...

[01:35:01]

[14.d. First Reading of Ordinance D-2835-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, authorizing the acquisition, construction and installation of certain improvements for the sewage works system of the City of Carmel, Indiana, the issuance of revenue bonds to provide the cost thereof, the collection, segregation and distribution of the revenues of such system, the safeguarding of the interests of the owners of such revenue bonds and other matters connected therewith, including the issuance of notes in anticipation of such bonds, and repealing ordinances inconsistent herewith; Sponsors: Councilors Taylor, Snyder and Worrell. ]

>> THIS IS SEWER WORK REVENUE BONDS TO IF ANY FOR THE DESIGN, ACQUISITION, CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION AND EQUIPPING OF VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS OF SEWER SYSTEM.

>> ON THE WASTE AND WATER SIDE. SO THE SANITARY SEWER, THIS-- WE CURRENTLY HAVE A $10 MILLION-- ABOUT 10.4 WITH THE INTEREST OWED, BOND ANTICIPATORY NOTE THAT WAS ISSUED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR TWO PROJECTS MAINLY, ONE WAS THE UPSIZE AND BUILDING SOME REDUNDANCY IN OUR LISTATION ON 106TH STREET, I'LL GET INTO A BIT OF THAT IN A MINUTE.

JUST HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS BECAUSE THAT BASICALLY RECEIVES ALMOST ALL OF OUR FLOW AND SENDS THAT DOWN TO THE TREATMENT PLANT SO IT NEEDS TO BE A LARGE STRUCTURE AND WE NEEDED REDUNDANCY. THAT PROJECT AND THEN WE HAD DIGESTERS AT THE PLANT. THE SOLIDS AND ALL THE SECONDCAL STUFF. IT'S-- TECHNICAL STUFF.

TOO LATE FOR THAT. IT NEEDED TOO MUCH WORK, GAS PIPES AND SAFETY AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT PROJECT THAT'S ALL COMPLETE BUT THAT WAS A TWO OR THREE-YEAR NOTE THAT NEEDS AND TO PAID OFF. APRIL, MAY NEXT YEAR.

SO IN ANTICIPATION OF PAYING THAT OFF AND THEN WITH THIS WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO, THE BOND, DOLLAR AMOUNT AROUND $25 MILLION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, $15 MILLION IS NEW MONEY ON PROJECTS AND THE 10 IT PAYING THE BAN OFF.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE EVEN THOUGH AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, COUNCILOR AASEN, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE-- SOME-- ALLOWS US TO DO VARIOUS THINGS.

WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS IN OUR LINE-- OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE ASK TO PUT INTO THIS BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT THAT I WOULD RATHER BASED ON WHERE PRICES ARE COMING IN AND PROJECTS ARE BEING BID AND THE DEPTH OF THIS PROJECT I WOULD LIKE TO BASICALLY SAY THAT THIS $15 MILLION IS GOING TO BE FOR THIS PROJECT IN MERCHANT SQUARE.

SO WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE IS WE ARE TAKING A 12-INCH GREATEST SEWER MAIN THAT STARTS AT RANGELINE, COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN MEDICAL DRIVE, COMES DOWN TRIPLE-A WAY AND CONNECTS INTO KEYSTONE WAY AND COMES BACK UP KIND OF WHERE THE SIGN IN MERCHANT SQUARE IS AND WHEN YOU'RE EXITING THE KEYSTONE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE, THAT IS A 12-INCH MAIN NOW THAT HAS SURCHARGE-- IT HAS NOT OVERFLOWED.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A SANITARY SEWER OVERFLOW BUT IT HAS SURCHARGED QUITE OFTEN. SO IT'S JUST AN UNDERSIZED PIPE BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE SEWER WORKS, VERY SIMPLISTICALLY.

OUR STREET. IS AT 96 AND HAZEL DELL, THE FAR SOUTHEASTERN PART OF OUR CITY. WE TAKE WASTE ALL THE WAY UP FROM EVEN WEST OF 31ST AND UP AROUND 146TH AND IT HAS TO GET ALL THE WAY DOWN. AS IT MOVES DOWN WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS IN MIDTOWN IN PARTICULAR QUITE A BIT OF THAT FLOW COMES DOWN RANGELINE INTO THE GREATEST SEWER MAIN, THAT 1. WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT THAT SEWER IS 25-FEET DEEP. SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE DEPTH, WE'VE GOT MANHOLE STRUCTURES THAT ARE PRETTY BIG SO THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SORT OF A SOUTHBOUND THAT EXTRA-- ABSORB THAT EXTRA FLOW WHEN THERE'S BEEN SPIKES AND RAIN EVENTS AND I & I AND THE RAINWATER SURCHARGES THE PIPE.

SO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE FOR A WHILE.

SO I MENTION THAT, WHILE IT IS TIED TO THE WORKING DONE IN MERCHANT SQUARE AND CERTAINLY A BIT OF THE GRANDERBY DEVELOPMENT THERE'S WORK UP THERE TO UPSIZE THE PIPE AND THE FLOW COMING FROM THERE BUT A LARGE CHUNK OF THIS, PROBABLY 10, $10.5 MILLION OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT LINE THAT'S VERY DEEP THAT NEEDS TO BE UPSIZED. THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.

THEN THERE'S UPSIZING OF MAINS ALONG THE NORTHERN PART OF THE

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>> SO IT'S NOT 100% BECAUSE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT BUT IT DEFINITELY BRINGS IT MORE TO THE FRONT BURNER.

AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE APPROVED PROJECTS BUT PROBABLY PROPOSALS COMING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

DOES THIS ANTICIPATE THAT FUTURE GROWTH AS WELL OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS THAT AS WELL?

>> IT DOES ANTICIPATE THAT. RIGHT NOW IT'S A 12-INCH MAIN AND WE'RE UPSIZING TO AN 18-INCH MAIN WHICH GIVES US QUITE A BIT CAPACITY IN ANTICIPATION OF QUITE A BIT OF THAT POTENTIAL

GROWTH IN THERE. >> PROBABLY HAVE JUST THE SAME QUESTIONS FROM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE LAST...

HOW DOES THIS AFFECT RATES? ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT? AND THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING UP IN FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH BONDS. ALSO JUST GEEKING OUT ON THE BIOPASTEURIZATION HEAT EXCHANGER, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US A LITTLE-- NOT TONIGHT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO WATCH THE GAME BUT I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN GO AND GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERESTING SYSTEM AND WHY THAT VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE AND KIND

OF-- YEAH. >> I CAN GO INTO THAT.

SURE. BUT YOUR ONE QUESTION AROUND THE RATE STRUCTURE. OUR CURRENT RATES WILL SUPPORT THIS DEBT SERVICE. THERE WILL BE NO RATE INCREASE

IN ORDER TO ISSUE THIS DEBT. >> NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS.

IT WILL GO TO FINANCE COMMITTEE WITH A DATE TO BE DETERMINED.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT...

[14.e. First Reading of Ordinance D-2836-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 6, Article 7, Regarding Stormwater User Fees; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder. ]

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE MONTHLY STORMWATER USER FEES ASSESSED AGAINST RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND REMOVING THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.

>> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECONDED.

>> THANK YOU. COMMNTS.

THIS WILL GO TO FINANCE... A PRESENTATION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS? OKAY.

I DO. SHOCKINGLY.

REALLY, I WANT TO ADDRESS A SECTION OF COUNCIL ROYALE'S MOST RECENT NEWSLETTER REGARDING THIS AND BEFORE I SAY THIS I KNOW THAT HE'S EXTREMELY BUSY, PREPARING FOR CARMEL FEST AND WRITING ARTICLES AND SERVING THE COMMUNITIES AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ENJOYING THE NEW GRANDBABY BORN LAST FRIDAY.

CONGRATULATIONS TO JEFF AND HIS FAMILY.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE NEWSLETTER REGARDING THIS MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE RUSHED AND THAT HE WAS DISTRACTED.

I'M GOING TO ASSUME THE TONE, OMISSIONS AND SOME OF THE ERRORS WERE OVERSIGHTS BECAUSE IF THEY WEREN'T, THEN I'VE GROSSLY MISJUDGED A GOOD FRIEND AND COUNCIL MENTOR NOT JUST ON THIS ORDINANCE BUT HOW WE TALK TO RESIDENTS AND ONE ANOTHER.

A WILLING TO PRACTICE, ABILITY SO OFTEN PREACHED.

COUNCILOR SPOKE ABOUT DISABILITY AT LENGTH AND I AGREE WITH SOAP OF WHAT HE SAYS-- SO MUCH OF WHAT HE SAYS.

NEARLY OF ALL OF IT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS NEWSLETTER DID SEEK TO TELL THE LARGER STORY, HOWEVER.

IT DID NOT SERVE THE COMMON GOOD AND THEY USED LANGUAGE OF CAUTION TO CREATE SUSPICION AND USED THE LANGUAGE OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO DIVIDE TAXPAYERS AGAINST HOMEOWNERS WITH PROBLEMS. USED THE LANGUAGE OF DATA TO SUGGEST THAT THOSE OF US TRYING TO START A SERIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT STORMWATER ARE ACTING WITHOUT EFFECT.

SO TONIGHT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THIS CONVERSATION ON STORMWATER RATES AND USER FEES AND COST OF BUILDING ADJUSTMENTS ON AN HONEST PLATFORM.

COMPARES THE ORIGINAL NUMBER TO THE PROPOSED ANNUAL NUMBER THAT

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NOT OVER TEN YEARS. NOW I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO CRITICIZE THAT ACTION. THAT ACTION WAS NEEDED.

THE CITY NEEDED A DEDICATED INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE CITY CREATED A REVENUE SYSTEM BECAUSE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS MONEY AND PRETENDING THOSE COSTS DON'T EXIST DOES NOT MAKE THEM GO AWAY.

GOING FROM $6.85 TO $10 IS A $3.15 PER MONTH INCREASE.

THAT'S ROUGHLY 10 CENTS A DAY. NONE OF THESE NUMBERS CAN BE FULLY ACCURATE. THEY NEED TO BE VET READY.

I'M DOING THIS OFF SUFFER AND THED AND THE ANNUAL REVENUES.

THE BREAKDOWNS BETWEEN COMMERCIAL RATES AND RESIDENTIAL RATES I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

I HAVE WRITTEN DOZENS OF STORMWATER ORDINANCES FOR MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE SITE THOUGH.

GIVEN THE INFORMATION I FEEL THAT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY IT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

NOBODY LIKES RAISING RATES. I DO NOT.

NOBODY WANTS TO INCREASE A FEE BUT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE IT HONESTLY, OPENLY AND PUBLICLY WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE 3% ESCALATOR.

THIS SORT OF PRESENTS THIS AS IT ONLY SOUNDS POSITIVE ON THE SURFACE ALTHOUGH IT'S A GIMMICK OR A TRICK.

IT'S NOT A TRICK. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I'M NOT GOING TO TURN THIS STATUS INTO A LEGAL SEMINAR TONIGHT BUT I WILL SAY AFTER REVIEWING THE ISSUE I BELIEVE THE CLEANER, MORE TRANSPARENT AND MORE ACCOUNTABLE APPROACH IS TO REMOVE THE AUTOMATIC PERCENTAGE BASE ESCALATOR AND REPLACE IT WITH A FIXED RATE THAT THE COUNCIL OPENLY CONSIDERS, DISCUSSES AND DEBATES AND VOTES ON.

THESE A BETTER GOVERNANCE AND BETTER TRANSPARENCY AND IT'S FAIRER TO THE RESIDENTS. WE SHOULD PUT OUR NAILS ON IT.

WE SHOULD-- NAMES ON IT. WE SHOULD EXPLAIN IT, DEFEND IT AND RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE A NOTICE, A PUBLIC PROCESS AND ABILITY TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT I MUST VIEW THIS INCREASE-THROUGH THE LENS OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND FAIRNESS. I AGREE WITH THAT.

THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT JUST KEEPING A FEE ARTIFICIALLY LOW WHILE INFRASTRUCTURE FAILS.

WE'RE REPLACING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S MUCH YOUNGER THAN THE STORM SYSTEMS IN QUESTION HERE. WE DID 120% INCREASE, THE LAST COUNCIL DID. THE HIT THE FIRST DAY WE TOOK OFFICE. BECAUSE OF IGNORING THE PROBLEM.

IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE OWN BEFORE IT BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT TELLING RESIDENTS FOR YEARS THE HELP IS COMING AND WHEN THE BILL ARRIVES ACTING SURPRISED THAT HELP COSTS MONEY. FAIRNESS CUTS BOTH WAYS.

IT'S NOT FAIR FOR RESIDENTS IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS TO PAY INTO A SYSTEM YEAR AFTER YEAR WHILE BEING TOLD THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS TOO OLD, TOO COMPLICATED AND TOO LOCALIZED AND TOO INCONVENIENT TO FIX. IT'S NOT FAIR TO TELL A HOMEOWNER THAT THEIR YARD IS FLOODED FOR DECADES THAT IT'S NOT VALID BUT NOT DATA DRIVEN ENOUGH.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO EXPLAIN A CITYWIDE STORMWATER FEE AS THOUGH IT'S CREATED FOR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO ADDRESS STORMWATER NEEDS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

THE NEWSLETTER CALLS IT A CITYWIDE IMPACT FOR A LOCALIZED ISSUE. THAT'S PATENTLY UNTRUE.

STORMWATER IS A CITY WIDE INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S NOT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT A WHOLE SYSTEM.

WE HAVE STORMWATER NEEDS ON THE EAST SIDE, BANK STABILIZATION UP AND DOWN COLE CREEK AND POCKETS OF FLOODING AND WE HAVE WEST SIDE FLOODING COMPLAINTS FREQUENTLY ESPECIALLY ALONG SHELL-BORN AS WE HEARD TONIGHT. WE HAVE THIS BE NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT UNDER STANDARDS THAT WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED TODAY.

WE HAVE AGING PIPES, FAILING STRUCTURES, PEDESTRIANS GAPS AND FAILING AND AGING ROADS AND FAILING SYSTEMS THAT INTERSECT AT ONE POINT. IT'S NOT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKING FOR A FAVOR BUT A CITY ASKED TO TAKE CARE OF INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER ITS FEET. EVEN IF THIS WERE A LOCALIZED PROJECT AND AN ORDINANCE FOR A SURGE SPOT WHICH IT'S NOT THAT'S STILL A BASIC FUNCTION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

DO THE PEOPLE IN HOME PLACE NEED ROUNDABOUTS? ON EAST CARMEL? NO.

BUT THEY PAY FOR THEM. DO THE RESIDENTS IN THE EDENS, NEED MULTIUSE PATHS ON THE OUTSIDE OF CARMEL ON THEIR ROAD? MAYBE NOT. BUT THEY PAY FOR THEM.

DO EVERY TAXPAYER ATTEND THE PALLADIUM? NO, BUT THEY PAY FOR IT IT. THIS CITY LONG UNDERSTOOD THAT THOSE INVESTMENTS ACT AS THE IDENTITY TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE

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WE DO NOT MEASURE PUBLIC VALUE ONLY BY ASKING WHETHER EVERY RESIDENT USES THE SAME IMPROVEMENT ON THE SAME DAY.

WE ASK WHETHER THE IMPROVEMENT STRENGTHENS THE CITY.

STORMWATER PROTECTION STRENGTHENS THE CITY, SAFE ROADS STRENGTHEN THE CITY. FUNCTIONAL DRAINAGE STRENGTHEN THE CITY AND SIDEWALKS THAT ALLOW CHILDREN TO WALK SAFELY TO SCHOOL STRENGTHEN THE CITY AND PROTECTING PEOPLE'S HOMES FROM REPEATED FLOODING STRENGTHENS THE CITY.

IT GOES AND TO TO SAY, IT'S BEING INTRODUCED WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF ENGINEERING DATA OR FORMAL FACT FINDING TO THE DEFINITIVELY ISOLATE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DRAINAGE ISSUES. THAT'S THE MOST FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A RURAL OR A ONE-TIME PUDDLE AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT APPEARED LAST WEEK. ONE RESIDENT PROVIDED A 55 PAGE DOCUMENT RECORDING YEARS' OF FLOODING, PHOTOGRAPHS, CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE CITY AND ALL THE PROPERTY DAMAGE THAT'S COME WITH. AS INCONVENIENT AS IT MIGHT BE TO SOME THAT IS DATA. PHOTOS OF FLOODING IS DATA.

YEARS OF CORRESPONDENCE IS DATA. RESIDENTS SAYING THAT WATER IS ENTERING THEIR HOUSE IS DATA. A STORM SEWER THAT A RESIDENT REPORTS IS HIGHER THAN THE BOTTOM OF THE STREET FORCING IT TO FIGHT GREATEST IS DATA. -- GRAVITY IS DATA.

ONE OF HIS E-MAILS IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, STOOD IN THEIR BACKYARD WITH NEIGHBOURS AND LAMENTED ON THE FLOODING.

TO SAY THAT THIS LACKS FACT FINDING IS NOT ACCURATE.

THE FACT FINDING IS HAPPEN IN RESIDENTS' YARDS FOR DECADES.

IT'S HAPPENING EVERYONE ELSE THEY TAKE PICTURES, SEND AN E-MAIL, REPLACE A FENCE POST OR WATCH THEIR YARD TURN INTO A RETENTION BASIN. IT SAYS WE NEED DATA DRIVEN DIAGNOSIS. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME RECONCILING THAT WITH WHAT I'VE WITNESSED AND HEARD FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE STOOD IN AWEMENMAN AND SAID WE DON'T CARE BECAUSE IT'S NOW THE AUMAN WAY.

THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE OPEN DITCHES BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE PROPER DRAINAGE AND PROPER FACILITIES AND WHAT CARMEL RESIDENTS EXPECT. THIS IS WHETHER THIS IS CONFUSING. ONE STREET OVER IT'S ALL ABOUT DATA. ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE. THE CARMEL WAY.

I'M WILLING TO FIGHT FOR AUMAN AND HOME PLACE AND I'M WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THE WEST SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE AND LEXINGTON AND THE WAY THAT I WOULD FIGHT FOR ANY OTHER OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD IN CARMEL WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS FAILING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. THAT'S WHAT CITYWIDE RESPONSIBILITY NEEDS. IT SAYS WE NEED AN OPTIMIZED PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

CARMEL DID NOT BUILD ITS REPUTATION BY SAYING LET'S OPTIMIZE THE CHEAPEST PATCH. CARMEL BUILT ITS REPUTATION BY PURSUING THE BEST ROADS AND THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BEST FIRE, BESTREETS AND BEST PUBLIC SPACES AND BEST QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO ARE WE SAYING WE NO LONGER ASK FOR THE BEST OR JUST THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? WHEN I WALK THESE NEIGHBORHOODS I DON'T SEE RESIDENTS ASKING FOR THE MOON BUT RESIDENTS ASKING FOR BASIC THINGS THAT CARMEL RESIDENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT. THEY WANT A ROAD THAT'S NOT NEARLY 70 YEARS OLD AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE NOT DESIGNED IN THE '60S. THEY WANT PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES NOT RANDOMLY DEAD END AND THEIR CHILDREN TO WALK SAFELY TO THE LIBRARY AND THE HIGH SCHOOL WITHOUT WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OR ALONG BROKEN, INCOMPLETE ONCOME CLIENT STRETCHES OF WALKS WHERE TWO PEOPLE CANNOT WALK SIDE BY SIDE.

IT'S NOT EXTRAVAGANT BUT THAT IS THE CARMEL WAY.

IT TALKS ABOUT OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BUILT UNDER VASTLY DIFFERENT ENGINEERING STANDARDS THAN MODERN DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT AND EXACTLY THE MY POINT.

MUCH OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WAS DESIGNED IN THE 1960S THAT WOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTED TODAY. CORRUGATED METAL PIPE WAS ALLOWED BACK THEN AND IT'S RUSTED OUT.

BRICK MANHOLE STRUCTURES USED. MANY MUNICIPALITIES IT'S REQUIRED WHEN YOU COME ACROSS A BRICK MANHOLE IT MUST BE REPLACED. MATERIALS AND DESIGNED WERE ACCEPTED THAT WOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTABLE TODAY AND BEYOND THE STANDARDS MUCH OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY AT ITS END OF LIFE. STORM SEWER SYSTEMS TODAY HAVE A 75-YEAR LIFE SPAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A DESIGN IN THE MID-60S LIFE SPAN WAS DESIGNED TO BE BUT WE'RE AT THE END OF IT. NOW IT'S EASY FOR ME TO PICK ON COUNCILOR ROAL BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY POST, SOCIAL MEDIA, ANY NEWSLETTER. IT HURT SO BAD BECAUSE IT FELT TO PERSONAL COMING FROM COUNCILOR ROYALE.

I HOPE IT'S JUST HIS BUSY LIFE AND JUST A RUSHED ARTICLE BECAUSE I KNOW HE DOESN'T FEEL THIS WAY BUT RETROFITTING.

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DATA IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR DELAY. CAUTION IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR LEADERSHIP. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE RICHLAND AVENUE EXTENSION. THE FACT THAT IT'S DEBATED BOGGLES MY MIND. THAT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, IT'S ABOUT SCHOOL ACCESS, IT'S ABOUT PROMISES MADE BY THE CITY AND NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH AND ABOUT CHILDREN WHO ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE SCHOOL THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE THE BUS SO THEY MUST WALK BUT NO SAFE WATTWAY TO GET THAT.

IF WE'RE INVOKING THE SCHOOL REFERENDUM TO BE ABOUT THE COST FEES WE SHOULD TALKING ABOUT THE WORLD CLASS LIBRARY.

CARMEL AIR SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS IT IS NOW.

I STILL AGREE WITH THE COUNCILOR THAT THE ADVOCATING FOR THE AUMAN NEIGHBORHOOD THE FRONT YARD DITCHES SHOULD BE FILLED IN AND PROPER DRAINAGE FACILITIES INSTALLED AND DOZENS OF MORE SCENARIOS AROUND THE CITY BUT I ADDRESS THE IDEA THAT THIS ALL CAME OUT OF NOWHERE AND JUST POPPED UP.

IT DID NOT. I BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE MAYOR LAST SEPTEMBER AND AVENUE IT IT UP AND ASKED THE QUESTION, DO YOU THINK THAT RESIDENTS PAYING $15 A MONTH FOR STORMWATER IS OUTRAGEOUS? THE MAYOR'S ANSWER WAS THE SAME ANSWER I HERD HEARD FROM EVERY RESIDENT, NO, NOT REALLY.

MY RESPONSE WAS THE SAME. ME EITHER.

THE RATE IS 12.50. I'D LIKE TO MOVE IT TO $10.

THE MAYOR TOLD ME SHE DID NOT WANT TO SEE THE NUMBER GO OVER $10. I DID NOT MAKE THAT NUMBER UP.

THAT WAS OUT OF RESPECT FOR HER. I'VE BEEN WORKING BACKWARD FROM THAT NUMBER EVER SINCE. THEN I HAD A MEETING WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND I LEARNED THAT THEY HIRED A FINANCIAL FIRM TO WORK ON A RATE STUDY, COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY AND A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY. I DON'T CARE WHAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE CHARGING. I CARE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS. THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAID HE WOULD TALK TO ENGINEERING WHETHER IT WAS NECESSARY.

AT THAT TIME I THOUGHT WE'D HAVE THIS DONE BY THE END OF LAST YEAR AND HERE WE ARE A YEAR LATER AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.

THE FLOODED YARDS HAVEN'T GONE AWAY AND THE DITCHES HAVEN'T GONE AWAY AND THE OLD PIPES HAVEN'T GOTTEN YOUNGER.

ADA REGULATIONS HAVE NOT DISAPPEARED.

AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE NOT STOPPED WAITING.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS AND WHAT THIS IS NOT.

THIS IS NOT A TAX INCREASE. IT'S STORMWATER USER FEE.

NOT A WILD NEW CONCEPT BUT A SIMPLE ORDINANCE JUST AS IT WAS WHEN CARMEL ESTABLISHED AND AMENDED IT IN 2016.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE'RE NOW HONEST ABOUT THE MAINTAINING-- THE COST OF MAINTAINING AGING INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THIS CITY HAS A LOT OF IT. I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T-- THE $10 A MONTH FOR A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL ERU IS NOT ENOUGH.

NOT EVEN CLOSE BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO START.

IT'S ENOUGH TO ADDRESS REAL NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY.

IT'S ENOUGH TO HELP WITH FAILING STORM INFRASTRUCTURE IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENOUGH TO EVALUATE A REGIONAL RETENTION BASIN NORTH OF HOME PLACE. THAT COULD HELP SLOW AND MITT GATE THE DISCHARGE OF WATER AFFECTING THAT AREA.

IN CASE THERE IS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

ENOUGH TO BEGIN ADDRESSING THE WEST SIDE SIDE DITCHES THAT COULD BE ENCAPSULATED COVERED WITH PATHS.

WE COULD CONTINUE TO PROMOTE OUR CONNECTIVITY ESPECIALLY ALONG SHELBURNE AND CLAY CENTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT'S ENOUGH TO STABILIZE BANKS AND REPLACE FAILED STRUCTURES AND MOVING AWAY FROM THE ENDLESS CYCLE OF PATCHWORK REPAYMENTS.

IT'S ENOUGH TO STOP PRETENDING THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE ABOUT THE NUMBER AND WE'LL DEBATE THIS FOR MONTHS I'M SURE.

WE SHOULD ASK THE QUESTIONS AND WE SHOULD AND NOT TELL THE RESIDENTS IT'S A LOCALIZED ISSUE AND IT'S NOT.

WE SHOULDN'T SAY THERE'S NO DOCUMENTING THIS FOR DECADES.

THIS IS NOT THE COMMON GOOD. THIS IS NOT THEIR LARGER STORY.

THIS IS NOT THE CARMEL WAY. NOT TO WAIT UNTIL RESIDENTS ARE EXHAUSTED. IT'S NOT TO STUDY A 60-YEAR-OLD PROGRAM UNTIL EVERYONE GIVES UP. IT'S NOT THE WAY TO MAKE RESIDENTS PROVE AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THE WATER IN THEIR YARD IS WET. IT'S ABOUT RESIDENTS IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHO BOUGHT INTO CARMEL AND PAID INTO CARMEL AND BELIEVE IN CARMEL AND DESERVE THE SAME STANDARD OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE PROUDLY DELIVER EVERYWHERE HE IS.

IT'S NOT ABOUT A SINGLE NEWSLETTER, INDIVIDUAL OR SOCIAL MEDIA POST OR MY HURT FEELINGS, IT'S NOT ABOUT ELECTIONS OR EVEN

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PATCH WORK HAS A COST AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS A COST.

I DO SUPPORT MOVING IN FORWARD AFTER A LENGTHY DELIBERATION.

I DO SUPPORT INCREASING THE FEES ON BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL STORM SEWER RATES. I SUPPORT USING THE MONEY CITYWIDE AND SUPPORT HELPING THE RESIDENTS WHOSE HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE WAITED LONG ENOUGH AND I SUPPORT WHAT CARMEL DOES BEST, INVESTING IN THE FUTURE BEFORE FAILURE IS THE ONLY OPTION BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT MY INTRODUCTION IS NOT THE END. BUT THE BEGINNING OF THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION. I LOOK FORWARD TO DELIBERATING COLLEAGUES AND HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, AGAIN.

TOMORROW EVENING AT THE CARMEL LIBRARY, 6 O'CLOCK IS A LET'S LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT.

TOWN HALL. I HOPE TO SEE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE MAYOR, HER DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ENGINEERING TEAM AND FINANCIAL EXPERTS ABOUT THEIR PRIORITIES, THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR VISION FOR HOW CARMEL SHOULD RESPONSIBLY MEET THESE NEEDS BUT WE MUST MEET THEM. THIS SHOULD BE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION, A TRANSPARENT ONE AND AN HONEST ONE.

IF WE DO IT RIGHT IT WILL BE PRODUCTIVE BUT WE HAVE TO START WITH THE TRUTH. IT'S NOT DRASTIC OR IRRESPONSIBLE. IT'S FAIR.

I PREACH ALL THE TIME. EVERY DAY ABOUT HOW CARMEL IS THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT IN MY HEART. TONIGHT I REAFFIRM MY BELIEF THAT CARMEL DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SIMPLY JUST DO ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN THE APPEARANCE THAT WHAT WE DO IS THE BEST BUT DO WHAT IS REQUIRED TO CONTINUE BEING THE BEST IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO REGARDLESS OF POPULARITY, INCONVENIENCE OR FEAR OF-- ANYBODY'S FEAR OF BECAUSE SERVING THIS WONDERFUL CITY MEANS YOU MUST LOVE AND THE PEOPLE WITHIN IT FAR MORE THAN YOURSELF AS I DO AND I KNOW EVERYONE DOES.

THIS IS THE CARMEL WAY AND WHILE THIS ORDINANCE HAS CAUSED A STIR I STAND BY IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO A LENGTHY DEBATE IN FINANCE

COMMITTEE. >> MR. PRESIDENT.

>> PLEASE. >> MAY I MAKE A COUPLE OF

STATEMENTS. >> PLEASE.

>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU FOR READING MY COLUMNS IN THE CURRENT IN COOLER. I APPRECIATE THAT.

-- IN CARMEL. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I START BY SAYING THAT MY NEWSLETTER, I STAND BY EVERY WORD OF IT. IT WAS THOUGHTFULLY WRITTEN AND IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION YOU AND I ON HOW WE APPROACH THIS ISSUE. ONE OF THE THINGS I TALK TO IN CIVILITY IS THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT AND FRIENDSHIP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY POSITION AND HOW I REPRESENT THE SIFTS CARMEL.

THIS IS NOT-- CITIZENS OF CARMEL.

THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DISAGREE WITHOUT GETTING MAD, WITHOUT TRYING TO HURT EACH OTHER OR EMBARRASS OR CLAIM THAT MY NEWSLETTER WAS ANYTHING THAN WHAT IT IS, I DO NOT APPRECIATE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, MY NEWSLETTER IS THE WAY THAT I WANT TO APPROACH THIS.

I WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS.

WHEN I FIRST-- I'M NOT SPEAKING TO YOU, NECESSARILY, I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR OFFICE I MADE A PROMISE THAT I WOULD TRY AND REMOVE EMOTION FROM THE ISSUES WHEN TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION.

WHAT I SAW WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE BACK IN 2015 IS THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS WHERE IF YOU TONIGHT AGREE WITH ME, OR IF-- DON'T AGREE WITH ME, OR IF YOU DON'T DO IT MY WAY YOU DON'T LIKE MY OR IT'S THIS SIDE FOR THE MAYOR, THAT SIDE FOR THE MAYOR AND I SAID I'M GOING TO RUN AGAINST THAT.

I'M GOING TO KEEP THE EMOTION OUT OF IT AND I'M GOING TO BASE MY DECISIONS ON FACTS AND DATA. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT YOU JUST USED AS AN EXAMPLE THE FACT THAT THERE WAS 120% INCREASE IN THE STORMWATER FEES AND THAT WAS DUE TO-- YES, AND THAT WAS DUE TO IGNORING THE PROBLEM. THAT'S NOT TRUE, PRESIDENT SNYDER. IT'S BECAUSE-- AND YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THE REASON THAT WAS GIVEN BUT REASON WAS BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE POPULATION WOULD GROW AND THERE WOULD BE MORE USERS TO PAY THE FEE TODAY THAN IT WAS BACK WHEN WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO INCREASE IT TO AN AMOUNT THAT WAS JUST UNACCEPTABLE. SO I DON'T APPRECIATE COMPARING MY NEWSLETTER AS BEING NOT FACTUAL AND YOU DOING THE SAME

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I NEVER IMAGINED AND IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL, NO ONE WANTED A FEE, BUT OF COURSE AS LEADERS WE DECIDED THAT THE FEE NEEDED TO BE PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO START DEALING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE AGING.

AND A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT IN DEALING WITH THESE PROBLEMS. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT WE WOULD GO FROM $61 AND WHATEVER IT WAS, 20 CENTS TO $120 IN TEN YEARS.

AND THE REASON THE 3% WAS PUT IN EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOW A LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT IT, THE EVEN RADIO THAT THE 3%-- THE REASON THAT THE 3% WAS PUT IN IS BECAUSE OF WHAT MANY PEOPLE STOOD AT THIS DIYAS AND YOU'LL START IT AND DOUBLE IT AND TRIPLE IT AND IT WILL BE $20 BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.

THE 3% WAS THERE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.

ABSOLUTELY THE REASON THAT I AM TAKING A CAUTIOUS APPROACH, THERE WAS NO INTENT ON THERE BEING ANYTHING MISLEADING.

I AM BEING CAUTIOUS. I DIDN'T SAY I'M AGAINST THE FEE. I SAID I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS.

I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION IN ORDER TO SAY WHETHER I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT IS RAISING A FEE ON EVERY CITIZEN OF CARMEL WHOM I REPRESENT. THE REASON I SAID THAT IS BECAUSE, YES, COUNCILOR SNYDER DID CASUALLY, I WOULDN'T SAY WE HAD A MEETING ABOUT IT BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT RAISING THE STORMWATER FEE? WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ME A QUESTION LIKE THAT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, CATCHING ME COLD AND CATCHING ME WITHOUT DATA AND NOT EVEN UNDERSTANDING WHY WE MIGHT BE DISCUSSING THAT. I MIGHT HAVE SAID, I DON'T KNOW, I DO NOT RECALL, HONESTLY, WHETHER, I SAID, SURE, MATT, GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE SOMETHING, I'M SURE THAT I DIDN'T SAY THAT BUT AT THE TOWN HALL THIS PLAN WAS THROWN OUT THERE ON WHICH I'M STANDING ON THE STAGE AND I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED. THE DOLLARS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS TO HOW TO FIX THIS PROBLEM WAS $20 MILLION.

THIS PROBLEM IN THIS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BY PRESIDENT SNYDER, $20 MILLION.

COINCIDENTALLY THAT HAPPENS TO BE APPROXIMATELY A NET NUMBER WE WOULD END UP WITH, $21 MILLION IF THIS FEE WAS-- IF THIS FEE WAS IMPLEMENTED. SO THEREFORE I HAVE TAKEN IT THAT THIS IS THE WAY-- AND I THINK YOU SAID IT AT THE TOWN HALL-- THIS IS A WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM TOMORROW.

WELL, I SAID AT THAT MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S PLAN IS. I NEVER ONCE ARGUED THAT THERE'S NOT A FLOODING DRAINAGE ISSUE. I'VE BEEN IN THE BACKYARD.

AS YOU STATED, I TALKED TO SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

I WAS INVOLVED IN PUTTING IN A BEEHIVE BEHIND MR. CHRISTIANSON'S HOIS BEHIND MR.-- HOUSE BEHIND MR. ALI'S HOUSE AND THERE WERE THINGS IN THE WAY OF THE SWALE OR THE DRAINAGE AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A FANCY TERM FOR IT AND I DON'T KNOW THE ENGINEERING TERM BUT WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO GO IN ORDER TO DRAIN. I WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE CITY.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? IS IT BECAUSE THERE ARE FENCES AND SHEDS? IS IT BECAUSE THERE IS COLLAPSED INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? THAT IS MY JOB TO KNOW THAT BEFORE I SAY, YUP, LET'S GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT $120 ASSESSMENT ON EVERY CARMEL RESIDENT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME ON THAT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT WILL BE THE WAY I THINK I'VE ALWAYS OPERATED AND IT WILL BE THE WAY THAT I OPERATE IN THE FUTURE.

MY NEWSLETTER IS THE WAY THAT I LET MY CONSTITUENTS KNOW WHAT I'M WORKING ON, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR ADVICE ON AND WHAT I HOPE TO HEAR FROM THEM ABOUT. THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE IN MY NEWSLETTER, MY POSITION. I'VE DONE IT SINCE THE FIRST DAY THAT I TOOK OFFICE. I DON'T NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOWED UP IN THE MEDIA OR WHAT HAPPENED-- YOU KNOW, WHAT RIBBON-CUTTING I WENT TO. I USE MY NEWSLETTER TO GET FEEDBACK FROM MY CONSTITUENTS. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NEWSLETTERS I'VE LISTED DOZENS OF POSITIONS THAT COULD BE CONTROVERSIAL BUT I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING UP HERE AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH. SO I'M SAYING THAT I HAD -- YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU CONSIDER IT IS A CUP OF COFFEE FOR THIS MONTHLY

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IS THIS THE RIGHT AMOUNT? IS IT REALLY $20 MILLION? THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND MONEY THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CAREFUL ON HOW WE SPEND IT. I HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT CARMEL IS THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE IN AMERICA.

I HEAR IT FROM MY COLLEAGUES. THERE ARE MULTIPLE RATINGS THAT WE GET, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE GOT THERE WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE A HISTORY OF BEING VERY INTENTIONAL IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE GO OVERBOARD, WE'RE CRITICIZED OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR THE $1 BILLION IN SPENDING IN DEBT THAT WE HAVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE IT. I BELIEVE THAT THAT HAS ALL COME FROM DATA. IT HAS BEEN-- OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS TO BE PRIORITIZATION BUT IT'S ALSO-- IT MEANS THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT DON'T GET DONE TODAY.

I WOULD JUST SAY IF WE ARE SO GREAT THEN HOW DID WE GET TO THIS SITUATION WHERE I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE-- IN YOUR SPEECH JUST SAID THAT THE PLACE IS FALLING APART.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT EVEN WHEN-- EVEN WHEN A SITUATION IS IDENTIFIED, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SYSTEMATICALLY AND WE WITH THE INFORMATION OF WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON BEFORE WE IMPACT THE ENTIRE CITY.

THAT'S JUST MY-- THAT IS JUST HOW I TRIED TO CONDUCT MYSELF AS A CITY COUNCILLOR AND HOW I WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT.

I WANT TO BE AWARE AND MY NEWSLETTER DID GENERATE COMMENT FROM RESIDENTS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT KIND OF A JUMP. AND I WANT TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DEBATE.

I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO CRITICIZE ME FOR THE THINGS THAT I RAISED BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT EVERYONE IN CARMEL SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN THIS. NOT JUST ONE OR TWO COUNCILORS WHO SAY THIS IS THE WA IT IS. THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.

I WASN'T EXPECTING TO HAVE TO MAKE A REBUTTAL LIKE THIS, PRESIDENT SNYDER, AND I DO SO WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT BUT I DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH EVERY SINGLE POINT YOU MAKE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE-- I MEAN I WOULD HAVE LOVED IT IF WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE YOU PRESENTED THIS AND IT SHOWED UP ON OUR AGENDA, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHY $10.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS TO BE DONE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT HAS TO BE DONE? I WOULD RATHER WORK WITH YOU THAT WAY THAN BE AFTER THE FACT WITH SOMETHING CASUALLY MENTIONED AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW THE ORDINANCE IS ON THE AGENDA. I THINK THAT'S A WAY THAT WE COULD WORK BETTER TOGETHER. I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE I WAS CAUGHT OFFGUARD.

IF WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE RICHLAND EXTENSION, I WAS, I WAS CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KEPT HEARING ABOUT FIVE HOMES THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN. THAT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FULL SCOPE OF WHY THAT EXTENSION IS SO IMPORTANT AND I DID LIVE THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE THERE WAS DECISIONS MADE BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. BY THE SCHOOL CORPORATION ABOUT EGRESS AND INGRESS OF WHICH WE DON'T REALLY-- WE DIDN'T HAVE A SAY AND WE FOLLOWED THEIR INSTRUCTIONS.

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I KNOW I'M PROBABLY FORGETTING SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID WHEN I GO BACK AND WATCH YOUR COMMENTS.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE FOR YOU.

TO THE RESIDENTS OF CARMEL AND TO THE PEOPLE SITTING HERE FROM CONCORD AND LEXINGTON, I KNOW YOU'RE FRUSTRATED BUT I AM FRUSTRATED AS WELL. I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAY NOT COST $20 MILLION THAT COULD BE DONE SOONER THAN LATER AND YOU KNOW, ALI, I STOOD IN YOUR BACKYARD AND THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE SPECIAL GARDEN BACK THERE AND I KNOW IT VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU. I SAID, THEN WHAT DO YOU-- IN MY E-MAIL THAT I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT FROM 2018, THEN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? BECAUSE AT MR. CHRISTIANSON'S WE HAD TO DO CHANGES TO THE BACK AREA AND HOW SHOULD THAT HAPPEN.

IF WE NEED TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE THESE TEN YEARS LATER, ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS STARTED BUBBLING UP AGAIN.

I HADN'T TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT SINCE THAT 2018 -- OR MAYBE 2019. IF I'M REMISS IN THAT I APOLOGIZE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT HOW YOUR BACKYARD WOULD BE AFFECTED BY ANY CHANGES WE MAKE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE SITUATION AT THE TIME. SO I WILL LEAVE IT THERE.

I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH.

BUT I DO DISAGREE BUT THAT'S OKAY.

WE CAN STILL BE FRIENDS AND DISAGREE.

I STILL WANT TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP.

I STILL WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ON OTHER PROJECTS BUT ON THIS ONE, I DO NOT LIKE THE PROCESS. BEEN PRESENTED AND THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED AS FACT, THAT IT'S $20 MILLION COME HELL OR HIGH WATER. THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS.

>> THANK YOU. I WON'T-- WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON ANY OF THE POTENTIAL MISCHARACTERIZATIONINGS OF THINGS I'VE SAID OR DONE.

THERE ARE TWO POINTS OF FACT. ONE 16 TO 18 MILLION, THE NUMBER CAME DIRECTLY FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER.

SO-- AT THE TIME. YOU MENTIONED THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE. MY SIMPLE ARITHMETIC SHOWED THAT MOVING IT TO $10 WHERE THE MAYOR SAID SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OVER, MY MATH HAD IT AT 53.4 MILLION IN CAPACITY AND I RAN IT BY A FINANCIAL CONSULTANT THEY SAID I WAS BEING EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE. THOSE ARE THE FACTUAL THINGS I WANT TO CORRECT. NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF THIS GETTING PROVED IN ANYTHING SHORTER THAN SEVERAL MONTHS.

THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR DEBATE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? >> I'LL FIRST OFF START OF AND I WAS A LITTLE EMOTIONAL FOR A SECOND.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PASSION THAT BOTH OF YOU HAVE.

ONE THING THAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT YOU THE MOST, PRESIDENT SNYDER, YOU DON'T SIT AROUND AND WAITING FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN.

YOU TAKE ACTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE STARTING SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION.

I'LL SAY THIS AND THIS MEANS NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE JUST SO I CAN FEEL CONFIDENT GOING FORWARD, I FEEL LIKE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING IS A SIMILAR DISCUSSION ON A FINAL VOTE RIGHT BEFOREHAND. I WONDERED IF WE COULD AS WE MOVE FORWARD I WILL BE AT THE MEETING ON THE 7TH AND THE 14TH AND I WILL BE AT LAND USE FOR THIS IF THAT'S WHERE IT GOES, FINANCE, WHEREVER, COMMITTEE, IF WE COULD START OFF WITH MAYBE A SHARED ACCEPTED FACTS.

I THINK THAT WOULD HELP EVERYONE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE SITUATION OF THE PROBLEM? YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY ONE PERSON SAYS THIS, ONE PERSON SAYS THAT. AS MUCH AS WE CAN IF WE CAN GET SHARED FACTS ON HOW MUCH MONEY THIS WOULD GENERATE.

WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF THE PROJECTS? YEAR BY YEAR. ALL OF THESE THINGS.

I WILL SEND YOU AN E-MAIL. I'M HAPPY TO CC EVERYBODY IF THEY WANT JUST SO I GET MY QUESTIONS OUT THERE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR MAYBE WAITING A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, BUT I JUST WONDER IF WE COULD TAKE A STEP BACK TO GET SOME SHARED FACTS AND SOME UNDERSTANDING AND THEN OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE ALL WANT TO DO-- FIND OUT WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS GOING FORWARD.

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH. I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT BY PUTTING THIS IN COMMITTEE FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.

>> NO, I'M NOT DEBATING ON THAT BUT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND YOU HAD A LOT OF POINTS IN YOUR THINGS.

I WOULD LOVE TO-- LINE AFTER LINE WHERE I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A THREE-HOUR LUNCH WITH YOU TO GO OVER THIS. I KNOW PEOPLE WANT ACTION AS

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SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB OF OUTLINING A REASONABLE TIMELINE, SHOULD SOMETHING BE DOWN AT TOWN HALL. NOTHING IS GETTING DONE TOMORROW BUT IF IT GOES THROUGH WITH THIS ORDINANCE IT WILL BE AT LEAST A YEAR. COUNCILOR TAYLOR WENT THROUGH THE METRICS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION AND IT PROVES THAT YOU DO REALLY CARE ABOUT THE RESIDENTS.

I HOPE THAT YOU KNOW IF I OR OTHERS ARE ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS IT'S NOT CRITICAL OF THE PROJECT OR YOU PERSONALLY.

SOMETIMES IT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT, WHAT IS THE TOUGHEST QUESTION I CAN ASK AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FIND THAT WAY TO GET TO THE SOLUTION. I HOPE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD ROBUST DEBATE. DON'T LOSE THE PASSION.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN START OFF WITH SOME FACTS AS WE KIND OF MOVE

FORWARD. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE REQUEST. THE FIRST TOWN HALL THAT WAS HELD THE DATE WAS SET WITHOUT ME KNOWING THAT A MEETING WAS GOING TO BE HELD. LUCKILY I WAS ABLE TO CANCEL SOMETHING TO ATTEND THAT EVENT. WE WERE PLANNING AN HOA FOR THAT EVENING. I'M NOT ABLE TO ATTEND

TOMORROW -- >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

7TH. >> THE FIRST TOWN HALL I WASN'T AWARE OF IT. A LETTER WENT OUT BUT LUCKILY I CHANGED SOME THINGS TO MAKE IT. I'M NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING ON THE 7TH TOMORROW NIGHT. I CAN MAKE THE 14TH BUT THERE COULD JUST BE SO WE CAN ALL HAVE VOICES AND RECEIVE THE SAME INFORMATION THAT THERE'S MAYBE SOME BETTER COORDINATION OF TIMING OF MEETINGS SO AS MANY PEOPLE CAN ATTEND AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S ALL I ASK. >> EASY REQUEST.

ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT SNYDER.

I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT ADAM SAID.

LET'S JUST GET THIS-- LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO THE MEETING ON THE 7TH EITHER BECAUSE I HAVE A PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW. SO-- OVER A MONTH.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH MY CITY COUNCILORS AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.

AND NONE OF THIS WILL HAPPEN IN A VACUUM AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD. LET'S MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE.

>> I'M TICKLED PINK. IT'S BEEN DECADES.

FINALLY WE HAVE GOT THE CONVERSATION GOING AND WE CAN'T GO BACK FROM HERE. ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS JEFF, RICH, ADAM HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL. WE ARE WHERE I WANT TO BE IN TERMS OF HAVING A SERIOUS CONVERSATION.

THIS IS A WIN FOR THE PEOPLE. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> COUNCILOR SNYDER, I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YEAH. >> WHICH COMMITTEE-- IS THIS A

ONE OR BOTH COMMITTEE THING? >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT'S FINANCE BUT BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, YOU'RE RIGHT.

LET'S IDENTIFY THE NEEDS. MAYBE LAND USE WORKS WITH ENGINEERING. WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE.

COME UP WITH A REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, BUDGET NUMBERS ALTHOUGH IT-- FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS AND PRIORITIES AND THAT KIND OF THING WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.

AS FAR AS WHERE ARE SOME OF THE MOST AGING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

AND THEN FINANCING WILL RUN THROUGH ALL THE NUMBERS AND WORK WITH-- I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE ENGAGED TO LOOK AT THIS SOME TIME AGO AND MAYBE THEY'VE GOT DATA ALREADY.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? >> SO, COUNCILOR SNYDER, LAND

USE -- >> STUDY IT AND IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING THEY CAN HAVE A JOINT MEETING AND I THINK

THAT CAN BE GREAT. >> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION?

>> PLEASE DO. >> IS THAT FIRST PROBLEMS ARE IDENTIFIED AND COST ASSIGNED BEFORE WE START NEGOTIATING-- DISCUSSING VARIOUS ERU FEES. YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES CAPITAL ASSET PLAIN IS PUT IN PLACE. A RATE STUDY HAS BEEN CONDUCTED.

PROJECTS ARE THEN PRIORITIZED. THEN THE PROCESS IS-- IS SET TO SET THE NEW-- SET THE NEW RATE, AND THEN BASED ON WHAT IS THE ABILITY TO FINANCE BASED ON THAT RATE.

>> MY ONLY CONCERN AND, COUNCILOR WORRELL ALLUDED TO IT, THERE ARE EXTERNALLALITIES SURROUNDING THIS THAT NEED TO BE EXPRESSED SOONER OR LATER IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR

INDEPENDENTLY BY COUNCIL. >> THAT COULD TAKE PLACE SEPARATELY FROM THE ACTUAL-- THE ACTUAL ERU RATE, AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE COULD BE DONE ON A SEPARATE ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE

ORDINANCE BEFORE SETTING A RATE. >> THAT'S FINE.

I THINK THE-- JUST THE INITIATIVE-- WHAT THE ULTIMATE

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IF $10 IS THE RATE OR WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK IS APPROPRIATE BUT, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO PUT PAUSE ON TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE MAX NO MATTER WHAT. IT'S THE SHEER NATURE OF THE

COST OF THE BEAST. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER-- SORRY.

WOULD IT BE BETTER BEFORE WE SAY, HEY, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THE RATE AND THEN FIND ENOUGH PROJECTS TO FIT IN WITH THAT. I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ALL THE PROJECTS EVEN IF WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ALL OF THEM OR NO APPETITE, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEM ALL.

>> TO YOUR POINT, YOU COULD SAY, HOW MUCH WOULD THIS ACTUALLY COST? AND PUT TOGETHER A MOCK

LON-TERM -- >> ON THE 14TH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO PRESENT.

THEY MIGHT HAVE SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T REQUIRE BONDING OR A RATE INCREASE IN ORDER TO SOLVE. SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR-- I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.

>> SURE. YES, SIR.

>> SO I CAME TO THE LAST TOWN HALL AND HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS AND SAW KIND OF THE PRETENDINGS.

THIS IS AN ISSUE-- PRESENTATIONS.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT POPPED UP WHILE WE'VE BEEN UP HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PUTS ME IN A GOOD SPOT WITH THIS OPEN DIALOGUE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE BECOME GOOD AT. WE ARE PASSIONATE.

WE ALL HAVE EMOTIONS. WE FEEL THEM.

WE'RE ALSO SMART AND CAPABLE OF GETTING BACK TO THE LOGICAL REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE, BUT WE'VE SEEN THIS PROCESS WORK.

SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILOR TAYLOR, THE RATE ITSELF IS A STARTING POINT FOR THE CONVERSATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP. IT WAS SOMETHING TO KIND OF LOOK AT. THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE AND FUNDING IN THIS CITY THAT COULD HELP US ENSURE THAT WE'RE FIXING THESE ISSUES THE RIGHT WAY.

WHEN WE UNDERTOOK THE PROCESS IN FINANCE OF THE FIRST YEAR AND SET THE WORLD RECORD FOR NUMBER OF READINGS ON THE ROUNDSABOUT ORDINANCE, WE GOT INFORMATION AND ENDED IN A POINT THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE BASED ON THE CORRECT FEEDBACK. WE GET TO DO THAT SAME THING HERE. SO I ACTUALLY AM VERY EXCITED FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THIS ISSUE WHICH AGAIN I HAVE NOT HEARD OF OVER ON THE WEST SIDE UNTIL WE RECEIVED A PROJECT HERE TO VOTE ON ON THE VERY LAST MINUTE WHICH WE VOTED NO ON WHICH PUTS US IN THE POSITION TO HAVE THE OPEN DIALOGUE AND IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, TOOTS, WE APPROPRIATED $2 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND TONIGHT FROM A BALANCE OF GENERAL FUND THAT WAS TOLD TO US AT THE LAST MEETING IS $14.5 MILLION.

THERE ARE WAYS FOR US TO FIGURE OUT THESE ISSUES TOGETHER.

BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE SO FAR ON THIS COUNCIL, WITH THIS CITY, WITH THE SMART, WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE HELPING BE HERE RUNNING IT EVERY DAY AND THEN WITH YOU THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE GIVING YOUR FEEDBACK, WE DO IT BEST WHEN WE'RE DOING IT TOGETHER IN THE OPEN. SO GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

TO DISCUSS THIS. MY HOPE IS THAT WE END UP NOT NECESSARILY RAISING THE RATE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE TO GET THROUGH AND WE HAVE A PLAN TO GET.

BUT IF THAT'S THE OPTION AND SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AND PRESENTED IN THE PAPER IT'S WORTHWHILE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO WE CONTINUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS OR WE'RE NOT READY TO FIGURE OUT THE PATH ON THINGS AS INSTRUMENTAL TO OUR LIVES AS THE WATER IN OUR BACKYARDS, WHAT CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING ON OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HAVE NO IMPACT OR A DIFFERENT IMPACT OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DRASTIC IMPACT THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ARE GOING ON? SO PLEASE, RESIDENTS, FOR REST OF THE TIME THAT YOU'RE INTERACTING WITH THE GOVERNMENT NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL THAT IS, AS LONG AS YOU'RE WATCHING THIS, THERE ARE PROBABLY 78 OF YOU, PLEASE REACH OUT WITH THOSE CONCERNS.

SEND THEM TO US. WE ARE STEWARDS OF THESE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THE BEST SPOT POSSIBLY AND AT THE END OF THE DAY MAYBE THAT'S A RATE INCREASE TO ISSUE BONDS TO FIX AN ISSUE OR A FIX THAT WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND AND GET BEHIND TO BE THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE BUT DO IT TOGETHER WITH

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HAVE BEEN. AND WE WILL END UP WHERE WE NEED TO BE. IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, 20 YEARS WILL GO BY AND YOUR BACKYARD WILL BE FLOODED AND YOU WILL BE HERE IN FRONT OF HOPEFULLY OUR CHILDREN AND THEY WILL MAY BE SAYING THE SAME THING OR WE CAN HELP FIX IT AND MOVE TO A BETTER PATH SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WHEN THEY'RE SITTING UP HERE INSTEAD OF US.

>> JUST TWO COMMENTS. ONE IS WE JUST DID A BOND REFUNDING WITH STORMWATER BONDS THAT FREED UP CASH FLOW FOR ALSO POSSIBLE PROJECTS. WITH TO YOUR POINT OF IDENTIFYING REVENUE TO NOT RAISE RATES.

THE SECOND THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO SET PROPER EXPECTATIONS WITH CITIZENS.

I PURCHASED MY HOME NO 2017. THE FRONT YARD FLOODS AND WE HAVE NO STORMWATER SYSTEM IN FRONT OF GREY ROAD.

IT WAS CONNECTED TO A SEPTIC. THE CELLAR WAS REQUIRED TO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS TO IMPLEMENT A DRAIN IN THE FRONT YARD THAT DRAINS THE WATER TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT WAS NOT A CITY RESPONSIBILITY.

CONNECTING TO THIS SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM FOR MY HOME TO THE CITY OF CARMEL WAS NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE WAS A CONNECTION FEE THAT WE HAD TO PAY TO CONNECT TO SANITARY SEWER. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT TO THE BASES OF FACTS AND COMMENTS BY COUNCILOR AASEN THAT WE'RE PROPERLY SECT EXPECTATIONS ON WHAT COMPONENT IS THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY AND WHAT COMPONENT IS NOT A CITY RESPONSIBILITY AT THIS TIME. THEN PROPERLY PRIORITIZE PROJECTS. SETTING EXPECTATIONS.

>> PERFECT. >> PRESIDENT SNYDER, CAN I MAKE ONE PROCEDURAL COMMENT TODAY THAT I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO

MAKE. >> RATHER NOT.

>> JUST I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT --

>> YOU'RE GOING TO ANYWAY. >> I HAVE TO.

>> BEING PRESIDENT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

>> I UNDERSTAND. BUT I HAVE TO DO IT AS --

>> SAY IT. >> SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S ONE PARTY THAT'S LEFT OF THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO BRING THEM IN EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER IS THE DEPARTMENT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CURRENTLY VPW. UNDER THE AUTHORIZING STATUTE IT'S ACTUALLY THE DEPARTMENT THAT ASSESSES AND COLLECTS AND ESTABLISHES USER FEES WHICH WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC MEETING ON THE MATTER. IT'S MENTIONED IN THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S A BLANK AT THIS POINT. BUT AGAIN, I URGE YOU TO BRING THEM IN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER IN THE COMMITTEE OF COURSE.

THANK YOU. >> YEAH.

PROCEDURAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT THOUGH? IF THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE STORMWATER BOARD, THEY DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE WHAT HAPPENS THERE?

>> AGAIN, IT'S COUNCIL IN THIS INSTANCE IS THE APPROVING BODY.

THE INITIAL INITIATING BODY IS-- THE INITIATING BODY IS USUALLY THE BOARDS OF DIRECTORS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. THERE MIGHT BE DISAGREEMENT AS TO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE INSTANCE THAT IT EVER HAPPENED BEFORE BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. I'M NOT REALLY READY TO GIVE

THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. >> IT SHOULD MATTER.

IF WE VET THIS TO DEATH OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AND DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL.

IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE-- I MEAN RIDICULOUS, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A

DISAGREEMENT. >> EXACTLY.

THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PROCESS THAT YOU SHOULD ALL CONSIDER.

>> VERY GOOD. I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS.

>> SO IT'S GOING TO BOTH COMMITTEES AT THE SAME TIME.

>> YES. AND YOU CAN DECIDE WHEN IT'S

TIME TO DISCUSS THE RATE. >> FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE YOU WANT US TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS ON PROJECTS AND IDENTIFY AREAS WITH ENGINEERING AND WORK WITH ADMINISTRATION, GET THAT LIST TOGETHER AND THEN VET.

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>> YEAH. >> OKAY.

JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR AND WE UNDERSTAND --

>> THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY.

>> GO ON IT WHENEVER -- >> IT'S TOO LATE --

>> OKAY. WE USUALLY ADD THINGS AFTER COUNCIL MEETINGS BUT WE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION BY WEDNESDAY TO HAVE A FULL LIST OF PROJECTS OBVIOUSLY.

WE CAN BEGIN TO COMPILE A LIST, SOME OF WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY HERE TONIGHT. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FIRST GOOD BEGINNING BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH THE WHOLE

THING, OBVIOUSLY. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

AGENDA ADD-ONS. THERE ARE NONE.

OTHER BUSINESS? NONE.

ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? IN THAT CASE WE

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